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Before Corona I travelled a lot and now I live so remotely that a office job is out of the question without moving. The actual remote jobs I've seen in that ti

by herbst 4y ago

Before Corona I travelled a lot and now I live so remotely that a office job is out of the question without moving. The actual remote jobs I've seen in that time all had weird issues like fixed (early) meeting times, more often than not even daily. Or performance tracking that went as far as installing third party monitoring Software while not even getting a dedicated work computer. Or being available at slack the whole time. If that is what remote work means I don't get it. It's just as stressful if not more, minus the commute.

whatisyour 4y ago
This is indeed extremely stressful. When I say work from home, I only have to make sure that I am present for the correct meetings and have the work done. No one cares otherwise.
jack_riminton 4y ago
Those examples are all placeholders for bad managers who don't trust their employees and/or are unable to correctly measure how productive they are. In poorly managed companies I've worked for it was very easy to get away with doing nothing e.g. I worked with a Service Designer who, when she finally quit, told everyone openly that she hadn't been given any work in a year
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luckylion 4y ago
Pretty much all of that goes away once you switch from salary to freelance. I think it's mostly a framing-thing where people figure "I pay this person to work for me 40 hours a week" and then they want to get the most out of those 40 hours and feel like they need to make sure that you're actually working and not doing chores around the house. When you freelance on a project-basis, it's "I pay this person to create this thing for me", but they don't care whether you take 10 or 100 hours to do so as long as you deliver it at the price you agreed upon and the quality is what they expected.
- herbst 4y ago
  I am not going to go back to project based salaries. I am to lazy to negotiate all the things that come after I think I am done :) Maybe I was just to cheap, dunno. When I still did freelancing I just asked for a rather high hourly rate and was super efficient in that time. At some point it got hard to find customers tho when other people claim the same for a 4th of the rate or less. The ultimate solution for a lazy coder like me is just maintaining some websites that make money. My time, my decisions, my money.
natymad 4y ago
It's hard to believe that there's IT companies that would trust you to work on your own personal PC. It's a glaring security issue that sounds like a company problem, not a general difficulty for remote work.
- herbst 4y ago
  I am not sure why that would be an issue. I am 'just a coder' all I do is pushing and pulling things from git.
  - natymad 4y ago
    - You can easily steal code - if you were working on a company laptop with USB device protection (can't connect drives to transfer without approval) and heavy website moderation (can't send code to yourself), leaking code would prove way more difficult. Compare that to just copy+paste on your personal computer. (ofc it's possible to steal from company laptops too, but you'll leave a very visible trail). - You're a security risk if your computer gets stolen: with company laptops remote disable is an easy option, not so much with personal ones. - Your dev environment can be radically different from others if the company doesn't install some software center (OS, dependancies). - You can't guarantee your personal PC isn't compromised by virus software, again playing into possibly leaking code. It's a liability to let devs download code to their personal computers. It's risky from both physical, and intellectual property perspectives.
    - herbst 4y ago
      I've only really worked at 2 different companies. Both had none of the mentioned protections. One was a windows without real AD, and the other was a MacBook I setup myself. I never even heard of USB protection there like. I really understand where you are coming from, but that's definitely not the standard I have witnessed so far.
      - natymad 4y ago
        That's really interesting to hear, I assumed wrongfully that most places have similar policies in regards to devices (from my experience, and my peers'). Maybe where I'm working we're more harsh than usual:D because we've got the full package - company laptop, transfering anything work related to personal PC is a no go, at home we must use VPN with 2FA, can't connect unapproved USB devices (including mice, keyboards, phone charging, anything), heavy website moderation, and heavy user-based access moderation for anything, and the company laptops are 100% tracked - you have no privacy on it. Even personal phones have to follow some security measures to keep Slack and authentication app (screen sleep <5min, screen lock is a must, and Slack is password protected).

by herbst 4y ago

whatisyour 4y ago

This is indeed extremely stressful. When I say work from home, I only have to make sure that I am present for the correct meetings and have the work done. No one cares otherwise.

jack_riminton 4y ago

Those examples are all placeholders for bad managers who don't trust their employees and/or are unable to correctly measure how productive they are. In poorly managed companies I've worked for it was very easy to get away with doing nothing e.g. I worked with a Service Designer who, when she finally quit, told everyone openly that she hadn't been given any work in a year

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luckylion 4y ago

Pretty much all of that goes away once you switch from salary to freelance. I think it's mostly a framing-thing where people figure "I pay this person to work for me 40 hours a week" and then they want to get the most out of those 40 hours and feel like they need to make sure that you're actually working and not doing chores around the house. When you freelance on a project-basis, it's "I pay this person to create this thing for me", but they don't care whether you take 10 or 100 hours to do so as long as you deliver it at the price you agreed upon and the quality is what they expected.

herbst 4y ago
I am not going to go back to project based salaries. I am to lazy to negotiate all the things that come after I think I am done :) Maybe I was just to cheap, dunno. When I still did freelancing I just asked for a rather high hourly rate and was super efficient in that time. At some point it got hard to find customers tho when other people claim the same for a 4th of the rate or less. The ultimate solution for a lazy coder like me is just maintaining some websites that make money. My time, my decisions, my money.

natymad 4y ago

It's hard to believe that there's IT companies that would trust you to work on your own personal PC. It's a glaring security issue that sounds like a company problem, not a general difficulty for remote work.

herbst 4y ago
I am not sure why that would be an issue. I am 'just a coder' all I do is pushing and pulling things from git.
- natymad 4y ago
  - You can easily steal code - if you were working on a company laptop with USB device protection (can't connect drives to transfer without approval) and heavy website moderation (can't send code to yourself), leaking code would prove way more difficult. Compare that to just copy+paste on your personal computer. (ofc it's possible to steal from company laptops too, but you'll leave a very visible trail). - You're a security risk if your computer gets stolen: with company laptops remote disable is an easy option, not so much with personal ones. - Your dev environment can be radically different from others if the company doesn't install some software center (OS, dependancies). - You can't guarantee your personal PC isn't compromised by virus software, again playing into possibly leaking code. It's a liability to let devs download code to their personal computers. It's risky from both physical, and intellectual property perspectives.
  - herbst 4y ago
    I've only really worked at 2 different companies. Both had none of the mentioned protections. One was a windows without real AD, and the other was a MacBook I setup myself. I never even heard of USB protection there like. I really understand where you are coming from, but that's definitely not the standard I have witnessed so far.
    - natymad 4y ago
      That's really interesting to hear, I assumed wrongfully that most places have similar policies in regards to devices (from my experience, and my peers'). Maybe where I'm working we're more harsh than usual:D because we've got the full package - company laptop, transfering anything work related to personal PC is a no go, at home we must use VPN with 2FA, can't connect unapproved USB devices (including mice, keyboards, phone charging, anything), heavy website moderation, and heavy user-based access moderation for anything, and the company laptops are 100% tracked - you have no privacy on it. Even personal phones have to follow some security measures to keep Slack and authentication app (screen sleep <5min, screen lock is a must, and Slack is password protected).