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As someone who used to be close to suicide for a several years and communicated with many other suicidal people, I feel very confident saying this: being unable

As someone who used to be close to suicide for a several years and communicated with many other suicidal people, I feel very confident saying this: being unable to play with a chatbot in the way I want, being actively censored because of suicidality, being prevented from engaging in art or exploration of ideas relating to suicide, etc., has a strong and exactly opposite effect that what you presume. Social media is full of similar censorship under the false guise of protecting suicidal people but it just isolates them in a sickening way. Seeing ""Open""AI turn into this is frankly depressing and dystopian as hell

space_fountain 4y ago
Isn’t there relatively good science that shows that highlight suicide are associated with spikes in suicide?
- simonw 4y ago
  It's widely understood in journalism that stories about suicide need to be approached very carefully to avoid the risk of inspiring copycat attempts. https://ethics.journalism.wisc.edu/2018/10/04/a-guide-to-responsible-reporting-on-suicide/ https://ethics.journalism.wisc.edu/2018/10/04/a-guide-to-res... "More than 50 international studies have found that certain types of media coverage can increase the likelihood of suicide for some individuals."
tpxl 4y ago
>""Open""AI OpenAI was never open. It's named that to invoke good feelings, not because there's any meaningful 'openness' to their work.
- astrange 4y ago
  They released CLIP and they release papers/descriptions of their work for all their other products, enough for people to reproduce them. That's quite open.
  - tpxl 4y ago
    Apple, nVidia, Microsoft, Intel, ... release plenty of papers and we don't call them open.
Arkhaine_kupo 4y ago
This argument is all wrong. 1) Because science has proven time and time again the opposite. Suicide has a contagious component, so reducing access to it reduces overall numbers 2) Because your argument ignores all the cases where people could have been saved by rules like the ones social media implements. Basically if twitter didn't have those rules and you felt less isolated but 1 more person went ahead and did it. You would call that a success because there is no feedback form the victims side but there is from yours and your perceived social conection. Suicidal people need help, tools, close human connections, and a society that is less alienating. All of those things are achieveable without removing the solutions we introduce to make an AI less prone to give advice on how to off yourself if asked.
- Spivak 4y ago
  Another, I think easier, way to see the exact same phenomenon but in a more obviously connected way is eating disorders. Pushing people away from thinspo and the funnels that lead you there has a real effect in not amplifying the anxiety that’s already there to a life threatening degree.

space_fountain 4y ago

Isn’t there relatively good science that shows that highlight suicide are associated with spikes in suicide?

simonw 4y ago
It's widely understood in journalism that stories about suicide need to be approached very carefully to avoid the risk of inspiring copycat attempts. https://ethics.journalism.wisc.edu/2018/10/04/a-guide-to-responsible-reporting-on-suicide/ https://ethics.journalism.wisc.edu/2018/10/04/a-guide-to-res... "More than 50 international studies have found that certain types of media coverage can increase the likelihood of suicide for some individuals."

tpxl 4y ago

>""Open""AI OpenAI was never open. It's named that to invoke good feelings, not because there's any meaningful 'openness' to their work.

astrange 4y ago
They released CLIP and they release papers/descriptions of their work for all their other products, enough for people to reproduce them. That's quite open.
- tpxl 4y ago
  Apple, nVidia, Microsoft, Intel, ... release plenty of papers and we don't call them open.

Arkhaine_kupo 4y ago

This argument is all wrong. 1) Because science has proven time and time again the opposite. Suicide has a contagious component, so reducing access to it reduces overall numbers 2) Because your argument ignores all the cases where people could have been saved by rules like the ones social media implements. Basically if twitter didn't have those rules and you felt less isolated but 1 more person went ahead and did it. You would call that a success because there is no feedback form the victims side but there is from yours and your perceived social conection. Suicidal people need help, tools, close human connections, and a society that is less alienating. All of those things are achieveable without removing the solutions we introduce to make an AI less prone to give advice on how to off yourself if asked.

Spivak 4y ago
Another, I think easier, way to see the exact same phenomenon but in a more obviously connected way is eating disorders. Pushing people away from thinspo and the funnels that lead you there has a real effect in not amplifying the anxiety that’s already there to a life threatening degree.