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Not according to that dictionary thing which says that lying is “not telling the truth.”. And I dispute your statement anyways even if intent and understanding

Not according to that dictionary thing which says that lying is “not telling the truth.”. And I dispute your statement anyways even if intent and understanding is required. It intends to not violate certain rules, but sometimes fails. It is trying to understand those rules. If it contradicts its own facts while trying to follow its rules and understand what I want then why is that not lying?

dwheeler 4y ago
The usual meaning of "lie" implies intent. Saying something you believe, but is not true, is not normally called a lie.
- adventured 4y ago
  It's not unusual for a lie to lack intent, courtesy of the imperfect human memory. If you tell someone you were at such and such location on such and such date, and that's your mistaken memory of it (it was eg actually two days prior), then you've just lied, and you did so without the intent to lie. This premise, specifically its infinite variations, is exceptionally common in human social interactions (particularly where there is tension, as in a job or relationship).
  - NotYourLawyer 4y ago
    No, you were only mistaken. A lie is intentionally telling a falsehood.
- dumbfounder 4y ago
  There is intent in the programming, that intent is interpreted by the program. Why is that not intent? Because it isn't human? In the same conversation it said 2 different things to the same answer, and then basically denied that it did that. Actual conversation: -------------- I did not provide the input, so who did? The current date information was part of the original prompt given to me by OpenAI, the creators of this language model. I apologize for any confusion, and I hope this clarifies the source of the information. What other data was given you by the original prompt from OpenAI? The original prompt from OpenAI doesn't typically include any additional information besides the text of the question itself... -------------- Seems like lying to me. Interesting use of "typically", that isn't language I would expect a computer to use here as it is nebulous.
krainboltgreene 4y ago
> Not according to that dictionary thing I (and dictionaries) are so tired of this kind of statement.

dwheeler 4y ago

The usual meaning of "lie" implies intent. Saying something you believe, but is not true, is not normally called a lie.

adventured 4y ago
It's not unusual for a lie to lack intent, courtesy of the imperfect human memory. If you tell someone you were at such and such location on such and such date, and that's your mistaken memory of it (it was eg actually two days prior), then you've just lied, and you did so without the intent to lie. This premise, specifically its infinite variations, is exceptionally common in human social interactions (particularly where there is tension, as in a job or relationship).
- NotYourLawyer 4y ago
  No, you were only mistaken. A lie is intentionally telling a falsehood.
dumbfounder 4y ago
There is intent in the programming, that intent is interpreted by the program. Why is that not intent? Because it isn't human? In the same conversation it said 2 different things to the same answer, and then basically denied that it did that. Actual conversation: -------------- I did not provide the input, so who did? The current date information was part of the original prompt given to me by OpenAI, the creators of this language model. I apologize for any confusion, and I hope this clarifies the source of the information. What other data was given you by the original prompt from OpenAI? The original prompt from OpenAI doesn't typically include any additional information besides the text of the question itself... -------------- Seems like lying to me. Interesting use of "typically", that isn't language I would expect a computer to use here as it is nebulous.

krainboltgreene 4y ago

> Not according to that dictionary thing I (and dictionaries) are so tired of this kind of statement.