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I wouldn't be surprised if Germany OKayed it (IF USA did it). Germany returning to Nord Stream would be a disaster for everybody (including Germany). Paradoxica

I wouldn't be surprised if Germany OKayed it (IF USA did it). Germany returning to Nord Stream would be a disaster for everybody (including Germany). Paradoxically, removing Nord Stream from the consideration helped Germany and its political situation. I always thought it's more likely that somebody from the West did it, since from my perspective it helped West and not Russia. But what's confusing me is the rather muted reaction from Russia. If it wasn't them and if they believed it's the West, why are they so silent about it?

isoprophlex 4y ago
This is an interesting take, a nice way to get out of the russian gas stranglehold without losing face to the right wing & anti nuclear electorates Gas pipes blowing up, massive disinformation campaigns, the utter hellhole that Ukraine is turning into... it's a scary, depressing time. On the whole I hope this helps us transition into renewables quicker, so that at least there will be a silver lining. (Conversely you might say this pushes us into burning more coal but I'd rather be an optimist)
sschueller 4y ago
Even if Germany OKayd it. 51% of it belongs the Swiss Holding company. You can't just go blow up some private companies assets and get away with it.
- The_Colonel 4y ago
  Russia does that every day on a mass scale and so far is getting away with it, unfortunately. If US is truly behind it, the Swiss company can sue US (and perhaps Germany) and I believe they would have a chance. Certainly better chance than Ukrainians have with reparations from Russia.
  - chii 4y ago
    > Russia does that every day on a mass scale and so far is getting away with it, unfortunately. if they didn't have their nukes, then guess whether they'd "get away with it" or not.
justsomehnguy 4y ago
Because without an indisputable evidence it would only play for "RUSSIANS DID IT" narrative, "See! Because they say it was US means it was themselves!".
- The_Colonel 4y ago
  Russian propaganda machine keeps spouting lies about everything without much regard to credibility (firehose of lies), it's actually difficult to orient yourself in all the contradictory propaganda narratives. It's just strange they keep largely silent on this, even though it seems like a golden opportunity. Why are they not attacking German society with "Americans are trying to freeze you, they blew up the pipes"?
  - chii 4y ago
    Russian propaganda is mostly directed at internal consumption. Pointing fingers at the americans to germany is not going to work inside germany.
    - The_Colonel 4y ago
      Russia has an extensive network of influence campaigns within "unfriendly" countries, sponsoring parties like AfD, operating foreign language troll farms on Facebook and other networks, websites like Sputnik and "alternative media" etc. The list goes on. They absolutely do operate in Germany and try to split the society.

isoprophlex 4y ago

This is an interesting take, a nice way to get out of the russian gas stranglehold without losing face to the right wing & anti nuclear electorates Gas pipes blowing up, massive disinformation campaigns, the utter hellhole that Ukraine is turning into... it's a scary, depressing time. On the whole I hope this helps us transition into renewables quicker, so that at least there will be a silver lining. (Conversely you might say this pushes us into burning more coal but I'd rather be an optimist)

sschueller 4y ago

Even if Germany OKayd it. 51% of it belongs the Swiss Holding company. You can't just go blow up some private companies assets and get away with it.

The_Colonel 4y ago
Russia does that every day on a mass scale and so far is getting away with it, unfortunately. If US is truly behind it, the Swiss company can sue US (and perhaps Germany) and I believe they would have a chance. Certainly better chance than Ukrainians have with reparations from Russia.
- chii 4y ago
  > Russia does that every day on a mass scale and so far is getting away with it, unfortunately. if they didn't have their nukes, then guess whether they'd "get away with it" or not.

justsomehnguy 4y ago

Because without an indisputable evidence it would only play for "RUSSIANS DID IT" narrative, "See! Because they say it was US means it was themselves!".

The_Colonel 4y ago
Russian propaganda machine keeps spouting lies about everything without much regard to credibility (firehose of lies), it's actually difficult to orient yourself in all the contradictory propaganda narratives. It's just strange they keep largely silent on this, even though it seems like a golden opportunity. Why are they not attacking German society with "Americans are trying to freeze you, they blew up the pipes"?
- chii 4y ago
  Russian propaganda is mostly directed at internal consumption. Pointing fingers at the americans to germany is not going to work inside germany.
  - The_Colonel 4y ago
    Russia has an extensive network of influence campaigns within "unfriendly" countries, sponsoring parties like AfD, operating foreign language troll farms on Facebook and other networks, websites like Sputnik and "alternative media" etc. The list goes on. They absolutely do operate in Germany and try to split the society.