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All that to create a privacy destroying, massively fraudulent ad tech moat. Yeah, admirable...

flangola7 4y ago
Technologically impressive is maybe a better way of putting it. I.e. a Death Star would be very technologically impressive.
hckrnrd 4y ago
tell us how you __really__ feel
pphysch 4y ago
It could be worse (Oracle)
- BasedInfra 4y ago
  What’s the worst thing Oracle has done aside egregious enterprise pricing?
  - pas 4y ago
    their API lawsuit?
- minsc_and_boo 4y ago
  Or Apple, who shares more user data with the CCP than most American tech companies: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/technology/apple-china-censorship-data.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/technology/apple-china-ce... All FAANG are suspect these days
  - filoleg 4y ago
    > Apple, who shares more user data with the CCP than most American tech companies Whether intentionally or not, your comment is very misleading due to omitting the fact that it only applies to chinese customers of Apple in China (which the linked article mentions in the very beginning). Apple doesn't share user data of people outside of China with the CCP. Also, this is literally a legal requirement to be able to operate there, it isn't like Apple just decided to do it on their own. And Apple's actions regarding this weren't really a secret either. Disclaimer: not an Apple employee and have no connection to them outside of being a customer.
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    - steponlego 4y ago
      We have no idea what Apple and Google share unofficially. Remember the Apple China bribery scandal? No? Of course not, it was barely a blip in the news.
      - filoleg 4y ago
        > We have no idea what Apple and Google share unofficially There is a phrase that describes "we have no evidence of them doing this, but they might be doing it, because there is no proof of them not doing it" pretty succinctly - baseless speculation. > Remember the Apple China bribery scandal? No? Of course not, it was barely a blip in the news. Are you referencing a Foxconn employee getting hit with allegations of bribing some of the Foxconn suppliers back in 2013[0]? If yes, then I remember it. However, I don't see how one can in full seriousness refer to it as "Apple bribery scandal", given that Apple wasn't aware of it happening, and none of the people involved were Apple employees. 0. https://qz.com/42409/why-apple-is-probably-in-the-clear-over-foxconns-bribery-scandal https://qz.com/42409/why-apple-is-probably-in-the-clear-over...
        steponlego 4y ago
        Nope I'm talking about Tim Apple's $275 billion deal.
    - minsc_and_boo 4y ago
      Nothing I said is intentionally misleading, it's right there in the source I linked. Apple Chinese users are still Apple users. Google employees rejected that same requirement to operate in China, showing that Google cares more about user privacy than Apple does. Apple has shown they care more about profits than privacy, which is the point.
- n4ture 4y ago
  It's not because it could be worse that we should accept things as they stand.

Technologically impressive is maybe a better way of putting it. I.e. a Death Star would be very technologically impressive.

hckrnrd 4y ago

tell us how you __really__ feel

pphysch 4y ago

It could be worse (Oracle)

BasedInfra 4y ago
What’s the worst thing Oracle has done aside egregious enterprise pricing?
- pas 4y ago
  their API lawsuit?
minsc_and_boo 4y ago
Or Apple, who shares more user data with the CCP than most American tech companies: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/technology/apple-china-censorship-data.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/technology/apple-china-ce... All FAANG are suspect these days
- filoleg 4y ago
  > Apple, who shares more user data with the CCP than most American tech companies Whether intentionally or not, your comment is very misleading due to omitting the fact that it only applies to chinese customers of Apple in China (which the linked article mentions in the very beginning). Apple doesn't share user data of people outside of China with the CCP. Also, this is literally a legal requirement to be able to operate there, it isn't like Apple just decided to do it on their own. And Apple's actions regarding this weren't really a secret either. Disclaimer: not an Apple employee and have no connection to them outside of being a customer.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - steponlego 4y ago
    We have no idea what Apple and Google share unofficially. Remember the Apple China bribery scandal? No? Of course not, it was barely a blip in the news.
    - filoleg 4y ago
      > We have no idea what Apple and Google share unofficially There is a phrase that describes "we have no evidence of them doing this, but they might be doing it, because there is no proof of them not doing it" pretty succinctly - baseless speculation. > Remember the Apple China bribery scandal? No? Of course not, it was barely a blip in the news. Are you referencing a Foxconn employee getting hit with allegations of bribing some of the Foxconn suppliers back in 2013[0]? If yes, then I remember it. However, I don't see how one can in full seriousness refer to it as "Apple bribery scandal", given that Apple wasn't aware of it happening, and none of the people involved were Apple employees. 0. https://qz.com/42409/why-apple-is-probably-in-the-clear-over-foxconns-bribery-scandal https://qz.com/42409/why-apple-is-probably-in-the-clear-over...
      - steponlego 4y ago
        Nope I'm talking about Tim Apple's $275 billion deal.
  - minsc_and_boo 4y ago
    Nothing I said is intentionally misleading, it's right there in the source I linked. Apple Chinese users are still Apple users. Google employees rejected that same requirement to operate in China, showing that Google cares more about user privacy than Apple does. Apple has shown they care more about profits than privacy, which is the point.
n4ture 4y ago
It's not because it could be worse that we should accept things as they stand.