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For browsers specifically, one can select their own browser on iOS and MacOS as well.

Semaphor 4y ago
On iOS it’s just the chrome, not the full browser.
flohofwoe 4y ago
It's always Safari under the hood, but that may change soon thanks to EU regulations (https://www.macrumors.com/2022/12/14/apple-considering-non-webkit-iphone-browsers/ https://www.macrumors.com/2022/12/14/apple-considering-non-w...)
- frizlab 4y ago
  because of, not thanks to. Once again the EU meddle with things they should not. And once again I’m pissed off by their regulations (though this time at least it makes a bit more sense than the previous time…)
  - flohofwoe 4y ago
    What's wrong with more choice and competition? I really don't understand the walled garden apologists. If Apple 'tears down the wall', users still have a choice not to install non-Apple software if they don't want to.
    - forgotpwd16 4y ago
      Going through comments really reads like a case of Stockholm syndrome.
  - iSnow 4y ago
    I am honestly glad that the EU forces vendors to put the customer first. I won't be sad if they force opening of the walled garden that is the iOS app store.
    - askonomm 4y ago
      > customers first > opening of walled garden Yeah, I wonder how secure those customers would be when any kind of third party app store can just show up and start releasing data stealing, virus-infested apps, with no oversight? The idea that allowing a wild west of things because "freedom" is somehow better for the end customer is very shortsighted. I've never had to assist anybody in my family who has an iPhone, that cannot be said for Android however.
      - rxyz 4y ago
        Straight out of Federighi's infamous keynote, lmao
      - flohofwoe 4y ago
        You mean there are no "data stealing, virus-infested" apps on the Apple app store? That's a very naive assumption ;)
      - LtWorf 4y ago
        Are you the guy who made the famous spot against right to repair? You know… if you can repair your phone you will get raped. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EozPi1qmH44 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EozPi1qmH44
      - iSnow 4y ago
        It's not like anyone from the EU forces you to install "data stealing, virus-infested apps". If you don't like alternative app stores or side-loading, then just don't use those.
  - mschuster91 4y ago
    > Once again the EU meddle with things they should not. One of the major reasons of existence of the EU is to provide a common-level playground for everyone, where everyone has a reasonable chance of success based on merits. Forcing Microsoft to break up their anti-competitive bullshit back in the IE6 days was a good thing, and so is breaking up the engine and app store monopoly on Apple's side today. Another reason of existence is waste reduction, and holy hell did the EU do a good job there by getting everyone sans Apple to agree on micro-USB, then on USB-C once it achieved reasonable market penetration for everyone including Apple. These days I only need to carry two USB-C power bricks from Anker on vacations to charge everything I have from my array of phones to my laptops (corp and private), and once I find the money to upgrade my Sony camera, that as well.

On iOS it’s just the chrome, not the full browser.

It's always Safari under the hood, but that may change soon thanks to EU regulations (https://www.macrumors.com/2022/12/14/apple-considering-non-webkit-iphone-browsers/ https://www.macrumors.com/2022/12/14/apple-considering-non-w...)

frizlab 4y ago
because of, not thanks to. Once again the EU meddle with things they should not. And once again I’m pissed off by their regulations (though this time at least it makes a bit more sense than the previous time…)
- flohofwoe 4y ago
  What's wrong with more choice and competition? I really don't understand the walled garden apologists. If Apple 'tears down the wall', users still have a choice not to install non-Apple software if they don't want to.
  - forgotpwd16 4y ago
    Going through comments really reads like a case of Stockholm syndrome.
- iSnow 4y ago
  I am honestly glad that the EU forces vendors to put the customer first. I won't be sad if they force opening of the walled garden that is the iOS app store.
  - askonomm 4y ago
    > customers first > opening of walled garden Yeah, I wonder how secure those customers would be when any kind of third party app store can just show up and start releasing data stealing, virus-infested apps, with no oversight? The idea that allowing a wild west of things because "freedom" is somehow better for the end customer is very shortsighted. I've never had to assist anybody in my family who has an iPhone, that cannot be said for Android however.
    - rxyz 4y ago
      Straight out of Federighi's infamous keynote, lmao
    - flohofwoe 4y ago
      You mean there are no "data stealing, virus-infested" apps on the Apple app store? That's a very naive assumption ;)
    - LtWorf 4y ago
      Are you the guy who made the famous spot against right to repair? You know… if you can repair your phone you will get raped. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EozPi1qmH44 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EozPi1qmH44
    - iSnow 4y ago
      It's not like anyone from the EU forces you to install "data stealing, virus-infested apps". If you don't like alternative app stores or side-loading, then just don't use those.
- mschuster91 4y ago
  > Once again the EU meddle with things they should not. One of the major reasons of existence of the EU is to provide a common-level playground for everyone, where everyone has a reasonable chance of success based on merits. Forcing Microsoft to break up their anti-competitive bullshit back in the IE6 days was a good thing, and so is breaking up the engine and app store monopoly on Apple's side today. Another reason of existence is waste reduction, and holy hell did the EU do a good job there by getting everyone sans Apple to agree on micro-USB, then on USB-C once it achieved reasonable market penetration for everyone including Apple. These days I only need to carry two USB-C power bricks from Anker on vacations to charge everything I have from my array of phones to my laptops (corp and private), and once I find the money to upgrade my Sony camera, that as well.