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When forced to choose between the effects of Gerrymandering vs my kids being penalized for the rest of their lives for being white then I am forced to choose Ge

When forced to choose between the effects of Gerrymandering vs my kids being penalized for the rest of their lives for being white then I am forced to choose Gerrymandering every time and I hate that this is the choice I'm presented with. I'm not a fan of Desantis at all but I am even less of a fan of this woke (I hate using the term, it sounds like a caricature) movement. My kids happen to be white, heterosexual males, they should not be vilified for it and that's the route I see so many pushing for. Until that changes I am forced to vote for people like him.

giraffe_lady 4y ago
Forced to huh? https://thenib.com/fault-right/ https://thenib.com/fault-right/
- wonderwonder 4y ago
  This is the exact thing I am talking about. It takes all of the real concerns that people who voted for Trump have and resorts to calling them Nazis and you post it as a witty response. I did not vote for Trump I very much dislike him on a personal and political level. I never at any time discounted the reasons that people did vote for him though because they are my fellow citizens and people that I am friends with and form a community with. Many of them are very intelligent people. To discount the concerns of others and just blatantly call 50% of the countries population Nazis is childish and shows a lack of seriousness. Grow up, you will find that most people you see as enemies have a lot of the same concerns and values that you do.
  - giraffe_lady 4y ago
    You voted for a straightforwardly fascist governor for obliquely fascist reasons and then tried to abdicate moral responsibility based on the actions of other people. Fear your fears about the future and your children; we all do. And if those fears lead you to endorse and support a white nationalist movement, own your actions. No one forced you to do that.
    - wonderwonder 4y ago
      Going to just stick with the "You don't vote how I vote so you're a Nazi!" argument huh? Cool Cool. Us jews are notorious Nazi's and white nationalists.
      - giraffe_lady 4y ago
        No I’m going to stick with voting for a fascist party makes you a fascist though.
        wonderwonder 4y ago
        Cool Cool
SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
> My kids happen to be white, heterosexual males, they should not be vilified for it and that's the route I see so many pushing for. This statement seems incredibly hyperbolic. Do you believe that DEI statements are simply "how intersectionally oppressed are you"? Have you had to answer any of these yourself? What were the exact questions?
- wonderwonder 4y ago
  Friend my current jobs mandatory training stated that if I try to help a person that happens to be a minority and they yell at me and berate me for assisting them that I must not argue back and should "sit there in my shame". That's really all I need to know. While I have much deeper opinions on the topic, I'm fine just stopping there, I don't want my kids to live in a world where that sort of instruction is the norm.
  - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
    Well friend, you appear to be working in an aggressively progressive company because I currently work in government and have friends who work in academia and have never heard of anything even close to the likes of that. I think it's possible you're (intentionally or not) misunderstanding their message.
    - wonderwonder 4y ago
      I can assure you that what I posted is word for word what it said. Pretty hard to misunderstand. I work at a fortune 500 company.
      - Dig1t 4y ago
        I work in FAANG, and they just this year added a new category to yearly performance reviews for inclusion and diversity. So now our promotions and raises are tied not only to the quality of code we write and how much we help our team's productivity, but also to how much we helped non-white people get hired on the team. I also have an inclusion training every 6 months that sounds very similar to yours.
thwayunion 4y ago
FWIW, I am a white, heterosexual male. I wrote a DEI statement that did not mention ethnicity, sexuality, or gender. I consistently got praise for my DEI statement in faculty interviews. I am fairly confident I am one of the only straight white males in this comment section who has applied to faculty positions and received job offers, across a variety of institution types. I am almost certain I am the only one in this comment section who meets those criteria and isn't currently in academia (I truly have no horse in this race, except annoyance that the discussion is so low-quality). Most people commenting here have never written or reviewed a DEI statement, have never applied to faculty positions, and likely don't even have the minimal requisite education to quality for these positions. What's worse is that there's a concerted effort by the political class to terrify parents. On right this manifests as "the wokes want your white boys to starve to death". It's all bullshit peddled by useless people who need your attention in order to extract money from the economy without doing anything useful. You're the mark. So, here's the actual truth about how university hiring DEI statements impact your white hetero sons: At most colleges and universities, the concern about DEI has a lot more to do with finances than "woke ideology". There's no interest in "replacing the white males". On the contrary, they'd love to have as many people of whatever background around as possible. But keeping their current enrollment numbers requires recruiting and retaining more diverse students because they are losing up to 20% of the total addressable market due to the post-2008 baby bust. They want to know faculty can serve a more diverse clientele, because they are pretty certain they cannot continue to exist if they are 80+% white. Especially from a retention perspective. And, to be blunt: the colleges are correct to be concerned and prioritize DEI. The existing tenured faculty are terrible at working with students who aren't from a very traditional socio-economic demographic. That is why colleges lose more than half of their paying customers after the first year of enrollment. Retention numbers broken out by demo paint a very clear picture. Consider this: you are a business. Your TAM is decreasing by 20% in the next decade and there's competition closing in from every side. Not just that, but you lose loses HALF your customer base in their first year as customers. And it's clear the reason you lose half your customers in year one is that your faculty either DGAF or don't know how to help that demographic succeed (aka retain customers). Wouldn't you want to hire staff who have proven experience working with the portion of the customer base you keep losing -- center that in job interviews, even? And, again, straight white males are fine candidates. Faculty who do not give a fuck about retaining non-affluent students are not okay. Because the institution will go bankrupt if that's the attitude. It's really that simple. This doesn't describe every institution, but it does describe the vast majority of America's 4,000+ post-secondary institutions.

giraffe_lady 4y ago

Forced to huh? https://thenib.com/fault-right/ https://thenib.com/fault-right/

wonderwonder 4y ago
This is the exact thing I am talking about. It takes all of the real concerns that people who voted for Trump have and resorts to calling them Nazis and you post it as a witty response. I did not vote for Trump I very much dislike him on a personal and political level. I never at any time discounted the reasons that people did vote for him though because they are my fellow citizens and people that I am friends with and form a community with. Many of them are very intelligent people. To discount the concerns of others and just blatantly call 50% of the countries population Nazis is childish and shows a lack of seriousness. Grow up, you will find that most people you see as enemies have a lot of the same concerns and values that you do.
- giraffe_lady 4y ago
  You voted for a straightforwardly fascist governor for obliquely fascist reasons and then tried to abdicate moral responsibility based on the actions of other people. Fear your fears about the future and your children; we all do. And if those fears lead you to endorse and support a white nationalist movement, own your actions. No one forced you to do that.
  - wonderwonder 4y ago
    Going to just stick with the "You don't vote how I vote so you're a Nazi!" argument huh? Cool Cool. Us jews are notorious Nazi's and white nationalists.
    - giraffe_lady 4y ago
      No I’m going to stick with voting for a fascist party makes you a fascist though.
      - wonderwonder 4y ago
        Cool Cool

SketchySeaBeast 4y ago

> My kids happen to be white, heterosexual males, they should not be vilified for it and that's the route I see so many pushing for. This statement seems incredibly hyperbolic. Do you believe that DEI statements are simply "how intersectionally oppressed are you"? Have you had to answer any of these yourself? What were the exact questions?

wonderwonder 4y ago
Friend my current jobs mandatory training stated that if I try to help a person that happens to be a minority and they yell at me and berate me for assisting them that I must not argue back and should "sit there in my shame". That's really all I need to know. While I have much deeper opinions on the topic, I'm fine just stopping there, I don't want my kids to live in a world where that sort of instruction is the norm.
- SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
  Well friend, you appear to be working in an aggressively progressive company because I currently work in government and have friends who work in academia and have never heard of anything even close to the likes of that. I think it's possible you're (intentionally or not) misunderstanding their message.
  - wonderwonder 4y ago
    I can assure you that what I posted is word for word what it said. Pretty hard to misunderstand. I work at a fortune 500 company.
    - Dig1t 4y ago
      I work in FAANG, and they just this year added a new category to yearly performance reviews for inclusion and diversity. So now our promotions and raises are tied not only to the quality of code we write and how much we help our team's productivity, but also to how much we helped non-white people get hired on the team. I also have an inclusion training every 6 months that sounds very similar to yours.

thwayunion 4y ago

FWIW, I am a white, heterosexual male. I wrote a DEI statement that did not mention ethnicity, sexuality, or gender. I consistently got praise for my DEI statement in faculty interviews. I am fairly confident I am one of the only straight white males in this comment section who has applied to faculty positions and received job offers, across a variety of institution types. I am almost certain I am the only one in this comment section who meets those criteria and isn't currently in academia (I truly have no horse in this race, except annoyance that the discussion is so low-quality). Most people commenting here have never written or reviewed a DEI statement, have never applied to faculty positions, and likely don't even have the minimal requisite education to quality for these positions. What's worse is that there's a concerted effort by the political class to terrify parents. On right this manifests as "the wokes want your white boys to starve to death". It's all bullshit peddled by useless people who need your attention in order to extract money from the economy without doing anything useful. You're the mark. So, here's the actual truth about how university hiring DEI statements impact your white hetero sons: At most colleges and universities, the concern about DEI has a lot more to do with finances than "woke ideology". There's no interest in "replacing the white males". On the contrary, they'd love to have as many people of whatever background around as possible. But keeping their current enrollment numbers requires recruiting and retaining more diverse students because they are losing up to 20% of the total addressable market due to the post-2008 baby bust. They want to know faculty can serve a more diverse clientele, because they are pretty certain they cannot continue to exist if they are 80+% white. Especially from a retention perspective. And, to be blunt: the colleges are correct to be concerned and prioritize DEI. The existing tenured faculty are terrible at working with students who aren't from a very traditional socio-economic demographic. That is why colleges lose more than half of their paying customers after the first year of enrollment. Retention numbers broken out by demo paint a very clear picture. Consider this: you are a business. Your TAM is decreasing by 20% in the next decade and there's competition closing in from every side. Not just that, but you lose loses HALF your customer base in their first year as customers. And it's clear the reason you lose half your customers in year one is that your faculty either DGAF or don't know how to help that demographic succeed (aka retain customers). Wouldn't you want to hire staff who have proven experience working with the portion of the customer base you keep losing -- center that in job interviews, even? And, again, straight white males are fine candidates. Faculty who do not give a fuck about retaining non-affluent students are not okay. Because the institution will go bankrupt if that's the attitude. It's really that simple. This doesn't describe every institution, but it does describe the vast majority of America's 4,000+ post-secondary institutions.