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>worry about my kids if this keeps escalating. I dislike Desantis for many reasons but ended up voting for him specifically for this reason and a couple of othe

>worry about my kids if this keeps escalating. I dislike Desantis for many reasons but ended up voting for him specifically for this reason and a couple of other cultural issues Yep. There’s likely going to be a huge blowback to all of this and the supporters will write it off as the country being full of racists. At this point I no longer care. This is draconian stuff.

cmh89 4y ago
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- nerdponx 4y ago
  The irony is that it requires a tremendous amount of privilege and insulation from the problems of the world to vote for somebody because they happen to stand against some people that you happen to disagree with, in total disregard of all the other horrible stuff that person does and says.
- wonderwonder 4y ago
  I mean if that's the case then I would probably have to vote for Desantis again. Florida economy is doing well. No Income tax and it's currently the fastest growing state by population so others must think the same.
  - cmh89 4y ago
    Sure, the quality of life affluent white people in Florida is pretty great, especially when the US government bails you out after every big storm. Not everyone is an affluent white person though.
    - wonderwonder 4y ago
      Pretty confident you could swap out the name 'Florida' with any of the 50 states and your statement would be true. Why is it an exception if it's true in Florida?
      - cmh89 4y ago
        Because there is more to quality of life than the economy. My point is that you can vote on outrage on non-issues because the state caters to your needs while leaving thousands of others behind.
        wonderwonder 4y ago
        Again this applies to every state. What my kids are taught in school is not a non issue for me, it's pretty much the issue. I will always vote for things that put my kids first even if that regretfully negativity affects others. I won't ever feel bad about that. Everyone will always have different priorities and core issues and that's fine. That's the beauty of democracy, everyone gets to consider their priorities and cast a single vote. No one's opinion is worth more or less than anyone else's.
        cmh89 4y ago
        >Again this applies to every state. Sorry, it does not. Many states focus on improving conditions for their poorest citizens, for historically marginalized citizens, and work to improve access to systems that make people's lives better. >What my kids are taught in school is not a non issue for me, it's pretty much the issue. Sure, and Florida is moving away from teaching useful things. > I will always vote for things that put my kids first even if that regretfully negativity affects others These policies don't put your children first, they put you first. They exist to make you feel better about the thing the right-wing media has convinced you to be outraged about.
        wonderwonder 4y ago
        Assume you are just going to ignore the fact that Florida is only ~51% white and he won Hispanics by 15 points? Or are Hispanics not counted as minorities in this narrative? "Sure, and Florida is moving away from teaching useful things." This is news to me as I review my kids homework with them every night and it seems to be full of useful things like math, science, reading comprehension, geography, etc. Its almost as if you are being fed a false narrative from wherever you get your information from and then you believe it... Florida is just moving away from teaching sexuality to young kids. As far as blaming everything on right wing media, I have voted Dem my entire life prior to this, every single vote I've ever cast. I'm mid 40s. I voted Dem on the federal level while voting Rep at the state level this last election. I don't think I've ever watched a complete segment of right wing media on TV or online in my life. I arrived at my opinion by observing how California has endorsed schools lying to parents regarding their kids sexuality and am against that. What if instead of assuming that everyone that votes differently than you do is a poor misguided easily influenced idiot and instead you actually try to understand that they just have different priorities than you do. Everyone is trying to just do right by their family and you will get much further and be happier if you focus on the 90% of things that most of us have in common rather than attacking and insulting over the 10% that we disagree on. This attacking and denigrating of different political parties is weakening the country. Or you can continue to be smug and condescending. Whatever makes you feel good about yourself and superior to others. Your call. Based on your post history in this thread, I think we both know what you will choose.
    - rayiner 4y ago
      I understand that acting like all the minorities are on your side is the standard democrat playbook. But that rhetoric is just tone deaf when you’re talking about a Republican governor that just won re-election in one of the most diverse states in the country (just 51% non-Hispanic white). DeSantis not only won by 20% overall, he won Hispanic voters by 15 points: https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/politics/elections/2022/11/09/ron-desantis-better-among-florida-hispanics-than-donald-trump/8316662001/ https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/politics/elections/20...
- willcipriano 4y ago
  Here are some images from books banned in Florida schools for K - 3 students by the "don't say gay" bill (censored but not safe for work): https://www.senatoraument.com/blurred-explicit-examples/ https://www.senatoraument.com/blurred-explicit-examples/ People can make their own choice if they think this is good content for nine year olds.
  - cmh89 4y ago
    I enjoy that they added censor bubbles to make the pictures seem worse than they are after having me attest to being over 18. Top-tier scare mongering.
    - throwawayacc6 4y ago
      >after having me attest to being over 18. That is required by federal law. Same reason you have to attest to being over 18 on porn sites.
      - cmh89 4y ago
        You're welcome to post said law but there a thousands of websites on the world wide web that host explicit images that don't require you to attest to being 18. This website is hosting censored cartoon images that weren't explicit in the first place.
        throwawayacc6 4y ago
        There are dozens of laws, cases, court decisions, etc.: https://mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/966/harmful-to-minors-laws https://mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/966/harmful-to-mino...
        willcipriano 4y ago
        School boards have kicked parents out for reading these books as they are too explicit for that forum: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-school-board-removes-parent-from-meeting-for-reading-out-of-sexually-explicit-book-from-hs-library https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-school-board-remove...
- onetimeusename 4y ago
  > Banning books Everyone bans books. I am surprised this is such a meme because you probably won't find many supposed free speech activists also being in favor of putting Mein Kampf in the student library for the children or teachers teaching Creationist perspectives on science. I think there needs to be a question of merit about what is taught, no?
  - jrm4 4y ago
    Stop. There is a universe of difference between curating selections for children's and/or adult libraries, and a government official stepping in to control and/or ban books. The former is part of the job, the latter is overreach.
    - xyzzyz 4y ago
      Those two are literally the same thing. The “banning books” you’re talking about is literally the state curating the selection of children books in public libraries. Florida is not actually banning sales of certain books, as it would be illegal for it to do it (except in some edge cases), all it’s doing is curating the selection of books in libraries. The critics call it “banning books” to confuse audience into thinking that some books are actually getting “banned”, which is simply not happening.
      - whatshisface 4y ago
        You will have a hundred individual teachers in your life but a lot of children can grow up with a single party in office.
      - jrm4 4y ago
        Literally? Oh come on, stop being dense. Let's start with - today, one of these has the words "felony" attached to it. The other does not.
        xyzzyz 4y ago
        It is not my fault that the activists decided to call it “banning books” when the government curates selection of books in public school libraries. I wish that such confusing language has not been introduced, but here we are: people are now calling it “banning books”. It is not I who made them the same thing, it’s the activists who tried to confuse this with a different sort of government activity which is not taking place. I have no idea what “felony” you are talking about.
- xyzzyz 4y ago
  There is absolutely nothing wrong with the state banning books from public schools. No sane person would object from banning literal hardcore pornography from school libraries. It would be ridiculous to suggest that the state must allow the librarians to stock pornographic magazines on school library shelves. Same goes, for example, for books glorifying murderous regimes like Nazism or Communism. Since the government have every right, and in fact in some cases a moral duty to ban certain materials from schools, the only question here is what materials exactly should children be encouraged to read, and, on the other hand, what will damage their lives and minds. Individual parents, of course, are free to disagree, and they can show their children whatever they want. However, the whole point of democracy is that the elected officials have mandate on behalf of the majority of the voters to exercise control over state institutions. If voters do not like what DeSantis is doing, they can vote in his opponent during next election.
  - jrm4 4y ago
    This is painfully wrong. There is absolutely everything wrong with THE STATE banning books from public schools. The state's job is to set up and maintain a structure by which localities etc. can more-or-less self govern their methodology of education and handle things like content, and e.g. fire your hypothetical school person who's glorifying Nazism. And the actual state should only be getting involved in deeply extreme cases, if at all.
    - xyzzyz 4y ago
      You are describing a theory of governance that has no bearing on the reality of today’s America. Over 20th century, it has been clearly and definitively established that not only the state, but also federal government have every right to interfere in the local schools. In fact, any legal authority of local schools to self govern stems directly from the state’s authority. This is unlike, for example, the states’ rights issue, where the states authority to govern comes from their individual sovereignty, and is not derived from authority of federal government. You are, of course, very much aware of this: indeed, this is seen clearly where you write “more or less”. You clearly agree that the state and federal governments have every right to interfere, and set up limits on what decisions the local government can make about its schools. Moreover, you agree that the state should only be getting involved in “deeply extreme cases”. Well, guess what: there is no objective way to specify what is “deeply extreme”. In fact, DeSantis and his supporters will tell you that the books being curated away are, in fact, “deeply extreme”. You are of course free to disagree, but that’s the point: your objection is not at all about the right of the state government to do the thing it is doing (you believe that the government should totally be able to do exactly what DeSantis has done), only about the contents of the decision, which is to say, whose ox is being gored. Why don’t we discuss that, instead of engaging in silly discussions about the extent and limits of governance, which in today’s America have been, for better or worse, definitively settled with practically zero chances of being changed any time soon?
- rayiner 4y ago
  > But DeSantis whole schtick is try and make you feel like stuff like DEI is oppression for white people It’s not just “white people.” DeSantis outright won Hispanic voters as well. According to the Associated Press/NORC studies, Youngkin also won Hispanics in Virginia and tied among Asians in 2021. A critical function of state government is educating children, and that unavoidably invokes making choices about how kids are socialized and taught to view the world. (Nobody is banning books—they are curating what resources the government makes available in taxpayer-funded schools and libraries.) On that front, many minorities don’t want their kids socialized into the notion that they’re oppressed by white people and other left-wing ideas. Similarly, even if they’re sympathetic to sexual minorities, they are distrustful of materials that depict and seemingly encourage sexual exploration by teenagers. (My Muslim parents would have been freaked out by any of the books we are talking about even if everyone therein had been cis and hetero.) A lot of this kerfuffle is the left foot-gunning itself. They’ve created a structure where any line drawing by the center left opens them up to devastating attacks of isms and phobias from the far left. If the left can’t open the door to teaching about the Tulsa massacre without allowing the Angels Davis sympathizers to walk through behind it that’s the left’s problem.
- wonderwonder 4y ago
  Guess the majority of Puerto Ricans and Cubans that voted for him are confused as well?
- tablespoon 4y ago
  > Banning books and trying to erase people from society due to their sexual orientation is draconian. That framing is extremely misleading and tendentious. For instance: school boards making decisions about what to stock in their libraries is not "banning books," it's democracy. However, misrepresenting that as "book bans" cranks up the outrage, which is beneficial in partisan an ideological conflict. It's also frequently hypocritical. For instance: the ACLU has been paying for big banner ads in the New York Times saying the oppose "book bans," while simultaneously employing a director who publicity advocates stopping the circulation of certain books and certain ideas. When someone complains about "book bans," frequently their real position is "I want this book/idea in the library but that book/idea that I hate needs to be thrown out and burned."
  - taylodl 4y ago
    You may not have heard the news, Florida took that power away from school boards. That may be why you're getting downvoted.
    - tablespoon 4y ago
      > You may not have heard the news, Florida took that power away from school boards. That may be why you're getting downvoted. That doesn't affect my overall point, though. I'm not "banning a book" if I refuse to purchase it or dispose if it after I've purchased it, likewise it's not a ban if some level of government does the same thing. If someone wants to read that book, they can buy it or borrow it from someone who chooses to lend it out. The "book ban" language is just tendentious outrage framing. I mean, I would be surprised if literal pornography is available to be checked out from any school library in the US, even though it's frequently consumed by high-school aged kids, and no one can reasonable claim that's "banned."
tyre 4y ago
Genuinely curious, do Desantis voters think this ends without suppression of speech? Desantis is banning books. Yes, these culture wars are bad. Stupid. But it feels like there is drift into both-sidesism. That side of the right is most certainly not for free speech any more than Elon Musk is when taking over Twitter.
- wonderwonder 4y ago
  If I am punished for using racist words to describe a minority is that suppression of my freedom of speech? It is illegal to discriminate against minorities, it should be illegal to do the same against whites and Asians. It's that simple, any effort to paint it as anything else is just misdirection and hyperbole.
  - freejazz 4y ago
    If you are punished by the gov't, yes. If it's not the gov't, then no. Basic 1st amd stuff right there.
    - edgyquant 4y ago
      An irrelevant technicality in our day and age
      - Forgeties79 4y ago
        Nobody is forcing anyone to shout racist nonsense on public forums. If you don’t want social consequences, then don’t pick up the veritable megaphone that is social media. We can easily live our lives without declaring our stance on everything ever and shouting them on social media platforms. Don’t say anything you can’t openly stand behind. We make those decisions sometimes hundreds of times a day when dealing face to face with people. We self-censor every day with our family and various social groups to avoid social and professional consequences. I don’t understand why that is so hard to translate when we go online.
- edgyquant 4y ago

cmh89 4y ago

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nerdponx 4y ago
The irony is that it requires a tremendous amount of privilege and insulation from the problems of the world to vote for somebody because they happen to stand against some people that you happen to disagree with, in total disregard of all the other horrible stuff that person does and says.
wonderwonder 4y ago
I mean if that's the case then I would probably have to vote for Desantis again. Florida economy is doing well. No Income tax and it's currently the fastest growing state by population so others must think the same.
- cmh89 4y ago
  Sure, the quality of life affluent white people in Florida is pretty great, especially when the US government bails you out after every big storm. Not everyone is an affluent white person though.
  - wonderwonder 4y ago
    Pretty confident you could swap out the name 'Florida' with any of the 50 states and your statement would be true. Why is it an exception if it's true in Florida?
    - cmh89 4y ago
      Because there is more to quality of life than the economy. My point is that you can vote on outrage on non-issues because the state caters to your needs while leaving thousands of others behind.
      - wonderwonder 4y ago
        Again this applies to every state. What my kids are taught in school is not a non issue for me, it's pretty much the issue. I will always vote for things that put my kids first even if that regretfully negativity affects others. I won't ever feel bad about that. Everyone will always have different priorities and core issues and that's fine. That's the beauty of democracy, everyone gets to consider their priorities and cast a single vote. No one's opinion is worth more or less than anyone else's.
        cmh89 4y ago
        >Again this applies to every state. Sorry, it does not. Many states focus on improving conditions for their poorest citizens, for historically marginalized citizens, and work to improve access to systems that make people's lives better. >What my kids are taught in school is not a non issue for me, it's pretty much the issue. Sure, and Florida is moving away from teaching useful things. > I will always vote for things that put my kids first even if that regretfully negativity affects others These policies don't put your children first, they put you first. They exist to make you feel better about the thing the right-wing media has convinced you to be outraged about.
        wonderwonder 4y ago
        Assume you are just going to ignore the fact that Florida is only ~51% white and he won Hispanics by 15 points? Or are Hispanics not counted as minorities in this narrative? "Sure, and Florida is moving away from teaching useful things." This is news to me as I review my kids homework with them every night and it seems to be full of useful things like math, science, reading comprehension, geography, etc. Its almost as if you are being fed a false narrative from wherever you get your information from and then you believe it... Florida is just moving away from teaching sexuality to young kids. As far as blaming everything on right wing media, I have voted Dem my entire life prior to this, every single vote I've ever cast. I'm mid 40s. I voted Dem on the federal level while voting Rep at the state level this last election. I don't think I've ever watched a complete segment of right wing media on TV or online in my life. I arrived at my opinion by observing how California has endorsed schools lying to parents regarding their kids sexuality and am against that. What if instead of assuming that everyone that votes differently than you do is a poor misguided easily influenced idiot and instead you actually try to understand that they just have different priorities than you do. Everyone is trying to just do right by their family and you will get much further and be happier if you focus on the 90% of things that most of us have in common rather than attacking and insulting over the 10% that we disagree on. This attacking and denigrating of different political parties is weakening the country. Or you can continue to be smug and condescending. Whatever makes you feel good about yourself and superior to others. Your call. Based on your post history in this thread, I think we both know what you will choose.
  - rayiner 4y ago
    I understand that acting like all the minorities are on your side is the standard democrat playbook. But that rhetoric is just tone deaf when you’re talking about a Republican governor that just won re-election in one of the most diverse states in the country (just 51% non-Hispanic white). DeSantis not only won by 20% overall, he won Hispanic voters by 15 points: https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/politics/elections/2022/11/09/ron-desantis-better-among-florida-hispanics-than-donald-trump/8316662001/ https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/politics/elections/20...
willcipriano 4y ago
Here are some images from books banned in Florida schools for K - 3 students by the "don't say gay" bill (censored but not safe for work): https://www.senatoraument.com/blurred-explicit-examples/ https://www.senatoraument.com/blurred-explicit-examples/ People can make their own choice if they think this is good content for nine year olds.
- cmh89 4y ago
  I enjoy that they added censor bubbles to make the pictures seem worse than they are after having me attest to being over 18. Top-tier scare mongering.
  - throwawayacc6 4y ago
    >after having me attest to being over 18. That is required by federal law. Same reason you have to attest to being over 18 on porn sites.
    - cmh89 4y ago
      You're welcome to post said law but there a thousands of websites on the world wide web that host explicit images that don't require you to attest to being 18. This website is hosting censored cartoon images that weren't explicit in the first place.
      - throwawayacc6 4y ago
        There are dozens of laws, cases, court decisions, etc.: https://mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/966/harmful-to-minors-laws https://mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/966/harmful-to-mino...
      - willcipriano 4y ago
        School boards have kicked parents out for reading these books as they are too explicit for that forum: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-school-board-removes-parent-from-meeting-for-reading-out-of-sexually-explicit-book-from-hs-library https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-school-board-remove...
onetimeusename 4y ago
> Banning books Everyone bans books. I am surprised this is such a meme because you probably won't find many supposed free speech activists also being in favor of putting Mein Kampf in the student library for the children or teachers teaching Creationist perspectives on science. I think there needs to be a question of merit about what is taught, no?
- jrm4 4y ago
  Stop. There is a universe of difference between curating selections for children's and/or adult libraries, and a government official stepping in to control and/or ban books. The former is part of the job, the latter is overreach.
  - xyzzyz 4y ago
    Those two are literally the same thing. The “banning books” you’re talking about is literally the state curating the selection of children books in public libraries. Florida is not actually banning sales of certain books, as it would be illegal for it to do it (except in some edge cases), all it’s doing is curating the selection of books in libraries. The critics call it “banning books” to confuse audience into thinking that some books are actually getting “banned”, which is simply not happening.
    - whatshisface 4y ago
      You will have a hundred individual teachers in your life but a lot of children can grow up with a single party in office.
    - jrm4 4y ago
      Literally? Oh come on, stop being dense. Let's start with - today, one of these has the words "felony" attached to it. The other does not.
      - xyzzyz 4y ago
        It is not my fault that the activists decided to call it “banning books” when the government curates selection of books in public school libraries. I wish that such confusing language has not been introduced, but here we are: people are now calling it “banning books”. It is not I who made them the same thing, it’s the activists who tried to confuse this with a different sort of government activity which is not taking place. I have no idea what “felony” you are talking about.
xyzzyz 4y ago
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the state banning books from public schools. No sane person would object from banning literal hardcore pornography from school libraries. It would be ridiculous to suggest that the state must allow the librarians to stock pornographic magazines on school library shelves. Same goes, for example, for books glorifying murderous regimes like Nazism or Communism. Since the government have every right, and in fact in some cases a moral duty to ban certain materials from schools, the only question here is what materials exactly should children be encouraged to read, and, on the other hand, what will damage their lives and minds. Individual parents, of course, are free to disagree, and they can show their children whatever they want. However, the whole point of democracy is that the elected officials have mandate on behalf of the majority of the voters to exercise control over state institutions. If voters do not like what DeSantis is doing, they can vote in his opponent during next election.
- jrm4 4y ago
  This is painfully wrong. There is absolutely everything wrong with THE STATE banning books from public schools. The state's job is to set up and maintain a structure by which localities etc. can more-or-less self govern their methodology of education and handle things like content, and e.g. fire your hypothetical school person who's glorifying Nazism. And the actual state should only be getting involved in deeply extreme cases, if at all.
  - xyzzyz 4y ago
    You are describing a theory of governance that has no bearing on the reality of today’s America. Over 20th century, it has been clearly and definitively established that not only the state, but also federal government have every right to interfere in the local schools. In fact, any legal authority of local schools to self govern stems directly from the state’s authority. This is unlike, for example, the states’ rights issue, where the states authority to govern comes from their individual sovereignty, and is not derived from authority of federal government. You are, of course, very much aware of this: indeed, this is seen clearly where you write “more or less”. You clearly agree that the state and federal governments have every right to interfere, and set up limits on what decisions the local government can make about its schools. Moreover, you agree that the state should only be getting involved in “deeply extreme cases”. Well, guess what: there is no objective way to specify what is “deeply extreme”. In fact, DeSantis and his supporters will tell you that the books being curated away are, in fact, “deeply extreme”. You are of course free to disagree, but that’s the point: your objection is not at all about the right of the state government to do the thing it is doing (you believe that the government should totally be able to do exactly what DeSantis has done), only about the contents of the decision, which is to say, whose ox is being gored. Why don’t we discuss that, instead of engaging in silly discussions about the extent and limits of governance, which in today’s America have been, for better or worse, definitively settled with practically zero chances of being changed any time soon?
rayiner 4y ago
> But DeSantis whole schtick is try and make you feel like stuff like DEI is oppression for white people It’s not just “white people.” DeSantis outright won Hispanic voters as well. According to the Associated Press/NORC studies, Youngkin also won Hispanics in Virginia and tied among Asians in 2021. A critical function of state government is educating children, and that unavoidably invokes making choices about how kids are socialized and taught to view the world. (Nobody is banning books—they are curating what resources the government makes available in taxpayer-funded schools and libraries.) On that front, many minorities don’t want their kids socialized into the notion that they’re oppressed by white people and other left-wing ideas. Similarly, even if they’re sympathetic to sexual minorities, they are distrustful of materials that depict and seemingly encourage sexual exploration by teenagers. (My Muslim parents would have been freaked out by any of the books we are talking about even if everyone therein had been cis and hetero.) A lot of this kerfuffle is the left foot-gunning itself. They’ve created a structure where any line drawing by the center left opens them up to devastating attacks of isms and phobias from the far left. If the left can’t open the door to teaching about the Tulsa massacre without allowing the Angels Davis sympathizers to walk through behind it that’s the left’s problem.
wonderwonder 4y ago
Guess the majority of Puerto Ricans and Cubans that voted for him are confused as well?
tablespoon 4y ago
> Banning books and trying to erase people from society due to their sexual orientation is draconian. That framing is extremely misleading and tendentious. For instance: school boards making decisions about what to stock in their libraries is not "banning books," it's democracy. However, misrepresenting that as "book bans" cranks up the outrage, which is beneficial in partisan an ideological conflict. It's also frequently hypocritical. For instance: the ACLU has been paying for big banner ads in the New York Times saying the oppose "book bans," while simultaneously employing a director who publicity advocates stopping the circulation of certain books and certain ideas. When someone complains about "book bans," frequently their real position is "I want this book/idea in the library but that book/idea that I hate needs to be thrown out and burned."
- taylodl 4y ago
  You may not have heard the news, Florida took that power away from school boards. That may be why you're getting downvoted.
  - tablespoon 4y ago
    > You may not have heard the news, Florida took that power away from school boards. That may be why you're getting downvoted. That doesn't affect my overall point, though. I'm not "banning a book" if I refuse to purchase it or dispose if it after I've purchased it, likewise it's not a ban if some level of government does the same thing. If someone wants to read that book, they can buy it or borrow it from someone who chooses to lend it out. The "book ban" language is just tendentious outrage framing. I mean, I would be surprised if literal pornography is available to be checked out from any school library in the US, even though it's frequently consumed by high-school aged kids, and no one can reasonable claim that's "banned."

tyre 4y ago

Genuinely curious, do Desantis voters think this ends without suppression of speech? Desantis is banning books. Yes, these culture wars are bad. Stupid. But it feels like there is drift into both-sidesism. That side of the right is most certainly not for free speech any more than Elon Musk is when taking over Twitter.

wonderwonder 4y ago
If I am punished for using racist words to describe a minority is that suppression of my freedom of speech? It is illegal to discriminate against minorities, it should be illegal to do the same against whites and Asians. It's that simple, any effort to paint it as anything else is just misdirection and hyperbole.
- freejazz 4y ago
  If you are punished by the gov't, yes. If it's not the gov't, then no. Basic 1st amd stuff right there.
  - edgyquant 4y ago
    An irrelevant technicality in our day and age
    - Forgeties79 4y ago
      Nobody is forcing anyone to shout racist nonsense on public forums. If you don’t want social consequences, then don’t pick up the veritable megaphone that is social media. We can easily live our lives without declaring our stance on everything ever and shouting them on social media platforms. Don’t say anything you can’t openly stand behind. We make those decisions sometimes hundreds of times a day when dealing face to face with people. We self-censor every day with our family and various social groups to avoid social and professional consequences. I don’t understand why that is so hard to translate when we go online.
edgyquant 4y ago