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People would 100% be jailbreaking this stuff.

by grishka 4y ago

goodpoint 4y ago
...and after a car accident you get all the blame and other legal consequences for having tampered with your car.
urbandw311er 4y ago
Or just physically cutting open the seat and bypassing the switch
- prox 4y ago
  Unless it has an AI, “you have violated the integrity of this vehicle, starting protocols have been disabled. Please contact your local representative.”
  - yootyootr 4y ago
    "drink a verification can to continue"
  - goodpoint 4y ago
    A microcontroller is probably enough, no need to throw in the big AI word.
Idiot_in_Vain 4y ago
Very few people. What percentage of iPhone users have their phones jailbroken? 0.0001% Almost no one will do it - it's a lot of work, loss of warranty, loss of small conveniences.
- withinboredom 4y ago
  I used to always jailbreak my iphone (mostly because I was one of the first owners and had been doing that since it was possible). The last time I did it, the apps were just too sketchy and wanted too much permissions. I didn't really see the value in it. Maybe things are better these days, but I haven't checked in the last 6-7 years.
- rationalist 4y ago
  > loss of warranty In the U.S., this is not true. If Apple claims so, they are violating the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.
  - MichaelZuo 4y ago
    Can you refer to the specific section that prevents it?
    - rationalist 4y ago
      I'm not an expert at legalese or have access to LexisNexis, but after a quick Google search, I think this is it: > a warrantor cannot, as a matter of law, avoid liability under a written warranty where a defect is unrelated to the use by a consumer of “unauthorized” articles or service. https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2018-title16-vol1/xml/CFR-2018-title16-vol1-part700.xml https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2018-title16-vol1/xm...
yootyootr 4y ago
your warranty is now void your resale value is now zero your service options have been limited to third party workshops only
- rationalist 4y ago
  > loss of warranty In the U.S., this is not true. If the manufacturer claims so, they are violating the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.
  - yootyootr 4y ago
    You're telling me that I can go to the U.S. and purchase a car, perform unauthorised modifications to its systems and the manufacturer still has to honour the warranty? That sounds excellent!
    - rationalist 4y ago
      As long as what you do doesn't cause the damage that you want them to repair under the warranty. They still have to honor the warranty for the unaffected systems.
mardifoufs 4y ago
There is oddly little ECU/BSI/onboard computer hacking (beyond flashing a tune, mostly to change engine specific settings). Or maybe there is, but I never managed to find an active community that goes beyond ecu tunes. I guess it's due to how fragmented the hardware is (even if most auto manufacturers usually source the components and systems from the same vendors).
justaman 4y ago
Cars are too expensive to void the warranty. But I agree in spirit.

People would 100% be jailbreaking this stuff.

goodpoint 4y ago

...and after a car accident you get all the blame and other legal consequences for having tampered with your car.

urbandw311er 4y ago

Or just physically cutting open the seat and bypassing the switch

prox 4y ago
Unless it has an AI, “you have violated the integrity of this vehicle, starting protocols have been disabled. Please contact your local representative.”
- yootyootr 4y ago
  "drink a verification can to continue"
- goodpoint 4y ago
  A microcontroller is probably enough, no need to throw in the big AI word.

Idiot_in_Vain 4y ago

Very few people. What percentage of iPhone users have their phones jailbroken? 0.0001% Almost no one will do it - it's a lot of work, loss of warranty, loss of small conveniences.

withinboredom 4y ago
I used to always jailbreak my iphone (mostly because I was one of the first owners and had been doing that since it was possible). The last time I did it, the apps were just too sketchy and wanted too much permissions. I didn't really see the value in it. Maybe things are better these days, but I haven't checked in the last 6-7 years.
rationalist 4y ago
> loss of warranty In the U.S., this is not true. If Apple claims so, they are violating the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.
- MichaelZuo 4y ago
  Can you refer to the specific section that prevents it?
  - rationalist 4y ago
    I'm not an expert at legalese or have access to LexisNexis, but after a quick Google search, I think this is it: > a warrantor cannot, as a matter of law, avoid liability under a written warranty where a defect is unrelated to the use by a consumer of “unauthorized” articles or service. https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2018-title16-vol1/xml/CFR-2018-title16-vol1-part700.xml https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2018-title16-vol1/xm...

yootyootr 4y ago

your warranty is now void your resale value is now zero your service options have been limited to third party workshops only

rationalist 4y ago
> loss of warranty In the U.S., this is not true. If the manufacturer claims so, they are violating the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.
- yootyootr 4y ago
  You're telling me that I can go to the U.S. and purchase a car, perform unauthorised modifications to its systems and the manufacturer still has to honour the warranty? That sounds excellent!
  - rationalist 4y ago
    As long as what you do doesn't cause the damage that you want them to repair under the warranty. They still have to honor the warranty for the unaffected systems.

mardifoufs 4y ago

There is oddly little ECU/BSI/onboard computer hacking (beyond flashing a tune, mostly to change engine specific settings). Or maybe there is, but I never managed to find an active community that goes beyond ecu tunes. I guess it's due to how fragmented the hardware is (even if most auto manufacturers usually source the components and systems from the same vendors).

justaman 4y ago

Cars are too expensive to void the warranty. But I agree in spirit.