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Actually, it isn't. It's the same underlying principle. All software must be paid for, with the exception of countries which have an actual public domain. Some

by dsr_ 4y ago

Actually, it isn't. It's the same underlying principle. All software must be paid for, with the exception of countries which have an actual public domain. Some software is paid for with money, some with acknowledgments, and some with source code sharing. Sometimes the developer demands postcards, and sometimes they demand that you not use it for evil purposes. All of these are forms of payment. If you don't pay for it, you don't have certain rights to it.

ilaksh 4y ago
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- jraph 4y ago
  > Lol. HN is so ridiculous sometimes. I hope you won't hold this against me, but I would suggest some humility here. Let's discuss and disagree with respect, shall we?
- INGSOCIALITE 4y ago
  It's not harder to 'give away' the source code. It's part of the license(s) of the code you are linking to create your binary. It's not hard at all, actually. On the contrary, it's very easy.
- codeguro 4y ago
  > but much harder to give away the source code On the contrary, it’s actually quite easy. They can simply upload the repository on github’s or simply tar snapshots of the source for their releases and host it themselves. No, the issue is not that it’s hard. It’s that they don’t want to comply with copyright law. That’s an issue of criminality, not difficulty.
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- smoldesu 4y ago
  Critical distinction to whom? The users? The developers? The judge and jury? If you get pulled over for speeding, you can't argue away the ticket by saying "yes officer, but speeding is easy to fix relative to hitting someone". If you continue to violate the law despite being notified of your exact violation, then you're probably due in for some punishment. I don't see how that's so hard to understand.
- jeroenhd 4y ago
  > comply with attribution somewhere Somewhere where the user can find it. That may require UI work. > much harder to give away the source code tar cf gpl-mandated-source.tar.gz ~/Projects/voice.ai; drag file into dropbox and email link. That's the nice thing about this particular violation, you don't need to go over the source code at all! You just need to send over the source files that you shipped!
necovek 4y ago
That's a very liberal use of the verb "pay". Payment is not the same thing as compensation, payment implies money changing hands. "Licensing" does not have to involve any sort of payment (or even compensation). There are free software licenses with no compensation requirements at all, yet they are not covering public domain software.

by dsr_ 4y ago

ilaksh 4y ago

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jraph 4y ago
> Lol. HN is so ridiculous sometimes. I hope you won't hold this against me, but I would suggest some humility here. Let's discuss and disagree with respect, shall we?
INGSOCIALITE 4y ago
It's not harder to 'give away' the source code. It's part of the license(s) of the code you are linking to create your binary. It's not hard at all, actually. On the contrary, it's very easy.
codeguro 4y ago
> but much harder to give away the source code On the contrary, it’s actually quite easy. They can simply upload the repository on github’s or simply tar snapshots of the source for their releases and host it themselves. No, the issue is not that it’s hard. It’s that they don’t want to comply with copyright law. That’s an issue of criminality, not difficulty.
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smoldesu 4y ago
Critical distinction to whom? The users? The developers? The judge and jury? If you get pulled over for speeding, you can't argue away the ticket by saying "yes officer, but speeding is easy to fix relative to hitting someone". If you continue to violate the law despite being notified of your exact violation, then you're probably due in for some punishment. I don't see how that's so hard to understand.
jeroenhd 4y ago
> comply with attribution somewhere Somewhere where the user can find it. That may require UI work. > much harder to give away the source code tar cf gpl-mandated-source.tar.gz ~/Projects/voice.ai; drag file into dropbox and email link. That's the nice thing about this particular violation, you don't need to go over the source code at all! You just need to send over the source files that you shipped!

necovek 4y ago

That's a very liberal use of the verb "pay". Payment is not the same thing as compensation, payment implies money changing hands. "Licensing" does not have to involve any sort of payment (or even compensation). There are free software licenses with no compensation requirements at all, yet they are not covering public domain software.