13 ms·

This is a real grab-the-popcorn moment. If Microsoft is about to slam GPT into Bing it could be their best moment to steal market share from Google in decades.

This is a real grab-the-popcorn moment. If Microsoft is about to slam GPT into Bing it could be their best moment to steal market share from Google in decades. Few a few glorious weeks, the world would be talking about Bing search. Google is desperately trying to get ahead of that. You can practically see them pushing each other out of the way to get through the door first.

ganoushoreilly 4y ago
Not surprising Google announced their AI ambitions with BARD, they're feeling the heat. I love the competition, I just hope it doesn't end up lopsided with a clear winner that takes all.
- mc32 4y ago
  Definitely! It would be nice to be back where there was no dominant search player and you had half dozen "able" solutions. In this scenario maybe some would have different biases (general, business, parental supervision, no-guardrails, etc) Out of curiosity would this the one one of the emps characterized as "sentient"?
  - bfeynman 4y ago
    that's exactly opposite of consumer behavior, people want simple experience they can trust. That's why google and amazon are so popular, even with their flaws, no one wants to scan multiple different providers to get a simple answer/item.
    - mc32 4y ago
      I guess. But many people shot NewEgg and ebay as well. Not everyone want's the "correct" version of the internet either. Some or many will want a firehose for themselves and a filtered version for their kids, etc.
asim 4y ago
End consumers don't care. This is the thing. We live in a total bubble. While for us this is really interesting, the long tail don't care. We're going to see over the coming years how this plays out. Redefining the search format is a good first step, whether or not it will lead to stronger adoption of the Bing search product is not clear.
- LesZedCB 4y ago
  i heard random old folks in the cafe i like to work at talking about chatGPT. it's not a niche topic in the slightest little bit. if the defacto location for using chatGPT becomes bing.com (or whatever rebranding) that's huge.
  - toomuchtodo 4y ago
    My friend’s college age kids are using ChatGPT for dating app conversations. Illinois and Iowa colleges. Bringing ChatGPT to Bing would be similar to what GitHub did for MS’ DevRel.
    - dougmwne 4y ago
      I love that because I have heard similar anecdotes about using ChatGPT to respond to coworkers. In the end it will just be ChatGPT talking to itself on Tinder and Slack.
    - HDThoreaun 4y ago
      My dad is a doctor who is now using chatGPT to respond to questions from his residents. It only works half the time or so, but he will consistently put their question in to see how ot does.
      - zht 4y ago
        HIPAA?
        deleted 4y ago
Kukumber 4y ago
People mostly use Google to find ChatGPT website People will still look for ChatGPT website They won't look for "Bing" to use ChatGPT It's similar with Edge, even after they moved to Chromium, most people use it to download Chrome Google will soon release their own ChatGPT, so it's already game over for Bing Microsoft didn't make ChatGPT, so there is no brand fidelity among ChatGPT users And if you use ChatGPT, you don't need to use Bing or Google, it's just a web app; once you found it, you don't need to look for it again, you bookmark it, or it's in your browser history and accessible from your address bar I don't understand this movement to promote Microsoft/Bing, when the star of the show is ChatGPT itself, ChatGPT makes Google/Bing useless to begin with
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- nonethewiser 4y ago
  >People mostly use Google to find ChatGPT website People will still look for ChatGPT website On that note, couldnt Google just show bongs ChatGPT results? I suppose there are probably some legal issues there.
  - mercer 4y ago
    I dunno, my search results usually decrease in quality when a bong is involved
- spinningslate 4y ago
  > They won't look for "Bing" to use ChatGPT No insider knowledge, but it would seem a marketing snafu to go down that route. ChatGPT has brand awareness: Microsoft has exclusive access to ChatGPT. They've been canny with Github by _not_ branding it Microsoft. >And if you use ChatGPT, you don't need to use Bing or Google Indeed. So how can Microsoft disintermediate Google given they don't own either the browser or current internet search? Windows is one possibility: integrate ChatGPT direct into Windows search. The market certainly isn't as big as mobile - but it's not small either. All speculation obviously. I'll have the popcorn out too.
nonethewiser 4y ago
This is how I thought askjeeves worked when I was 10.
- thom 4y ago
  What’s really funny about this is that the answer to “what’s the meaning of life?” on Ask Jeeves about 20 years ago was an Eliezer Yudkowsky essay on AI saying that if we’re too dumb to know the meaning of life, we should build machines that are smart enough to work it out.
TechBro8615 4y ago
I've been defaulting to Bing over Google for non-programming queries for a while now. The results are objective and clearly devoid of whatever bias filter Google applies before returning what it thinks I'm asking for.
vitorgrs 4y ago
Bing with ChatGPT-4 already leaked so just a matter of time. https://medium.com/@owenyin/scoop-oh-the-things-youll-do-with-bing-s-chatgpt-62b42d8d7198 https://medium.com/@owenyin/scoop-oh-the-things-youll-do-wit...
- dougmwne 4y ago
  Holy hell. If that is real then Google is FUUUCKED.
  - rhdunn 4y ago
    TBH, if Bing with ChatGPT can a) understand what I'm trying to search for (e.g. when searching about specific errors like "windows taskbar bug showing empty windows in the taskbar for icons in the system tray"), b) find the relevant information and answers, and c) show links that I can go to to verify that information/answer then I'd switch to Bing with ChatGPT for those types of search as Google has been getting steadily worse around this. For the search above, Google shows results for blank/missing icons in the taskbar, etc. which are not the issue I'm trying to find information about. There are many other queries I've tried to get information from by a Google search, but haven't been able to make Google understand what I'm looking for -- instead, it tries to figure out what I mean, but ends up returning unrelated results.
    - techdragon 4y ago
      I’d genuinely pay for this. It’s the first one that might be worth it. (For me at least) I’ve been skeptical about the value of AI driven services despite the results, I’ve got DiffusionBee on my MacBook Pro with me everywhere, I use it from time to time and it’s surprisingly useful… But the effort to train myself on prompt engineering in order to get the kinds of results that are worth me paying a monthly service for… sorry that’s where it falls apart. I’ve got shit to do and these things are meant to be “smart” and save time. I don’t really have time to learn an entirely undocumented domain specific language hidden inside the ML model. I got early access to GPT v3 and the other OpenAI models in their limited public beta periods… I’ve used my beta credits and all that… the thing is… I clearly don’t think/write/talk like other people other because universally my results have been fucking garbage until I sit down and think very hard what the computer might be expecting in order to get better results. This continues to frustrate me as I’ve done tech support for a living for years earlier in my career, described technical computer related concepts and instructions to someone over the phone with no way to know what’s going on except asking them what they are seeing on their computer… and no I wasn’t just reading off a flow chart, about the only cheat sheet I needed was a list of useful keyboard shortcuts to get to things like system info, and some screenshots of windows desktops to make it easier to quickly describe visual points of reference for things to help guide the user I was helping… I did it so long I’ve been told I have a “tech support voice” when I mode switch into trying to genuinely help someone with a computer… and all these ML tools before ChatGPT where to use a colloquialism “as thick as two short planks” and dealing with them (prior to ChatGPT) was very frustrating. The ChatGPT is genuinely quite a lot better at understanding me and while it is prone to hallucinations and i continue to find the shallow pools of creativity where it absolutely loves to repeat itself (I once asked to generate a list of 50 name suggestions for specific kind of company and managed to get it to repeat itself twice) … Point is I’d absolutely pay for this and probably halve the amount of google search (if not more since it’s hard to gauge a count of how much automatic almost reflex rephrases and re-searching I do on google due to poor results ) I use if I can pay for this to ensure good service quality. This is definitely worth $25AU a month if it doesn’t suck.

ganoushoreilly 4y ago

Not surprising Google announced their AI ambitions with BARD, they're feeling the heat. I love the competition, I just hope it doesn't end up lopsided with a clear winner that takes all.

mc32 4y ago
Definitely! It would be nice to be back where there was no dominant search player and you had half dozen "able" solutions. In this scenario maybe some would have different biases (general, business, parental supervision, no-guardrails, etc) Out of curiosity would this the one one of the emps characterized as "sentient"?
- bfeynman 4y ago
  that's exactly opposite of consumer behavior, people want simple experience they can trust. That's why google and amazon are so popular, even with their flaws, no one wants to scan multiple different providers to get a simple answer/item.
  - mc32 4y ago
    I guess. But many people shot NewEgg and ebay as well. Not everyone want's the "correct" version of the internet either. Some or many will want a firehose for themselves and a filtered version for their kids, etc.

asim 4y ago

End consumers don't care. This is the thing. We live in a total bubble. While for us this is really interesting, the long tail don't care. We're going to see over the coming years how this plays out. Redefining the search format is a good first step, whether or not it will lead to stronger adoption of the Bing search product is not clear.

LesZedCB 4y ago
i heard random old folks in the cafe i like to work at talking about chatGPT. it's not a niche topic in the slightest little bit. if the defacto location for using chatGPT becomes bing.com (or whatever rebranding) that's huge.
- toomuchtodo 4y ago
  My friend’s college age kids are using ChatGPT for dating app conversations. Illinois and Iowa colleges. Bringing ChatGPT to Bing would be similar to what GitHub did for MS’ DevRel.
  - dougmwne 4y ago
    I love that because I have heard similar anecdotes about using ChatGPT to respond to coworkers. In the end it will just be ChatGPT talking to itself on Tinder and Slack.
  - HDThoreaun 4y ago
    My dad is a doctor who is now using chatGPT to respond to questions from his residents. It only works half the time or so, but he will consistently put their question in to see how ot does.
    - zht 4y ago
      HIPAA?
      - deleted 4y ago

Kukumber 4y ago

People mostly use Google to find ChatGPT website People will still look for ChatGPT website They won't look for "Bing" to use ChatGPT It's similar with Edge, even after they moved to Chromium, most people use it to download Chrome Google will soon release their own ChatGPT, so it's already game over for Bing Microsoft didn't make ChatGPT, so there is no brand fidelity among ChatGPT users And if you use ChatGPT, you don't need to use Bing or Google, it's just a web app; once you found it, you don't need to look for it again, you bookmark it, or it's in your browser history and accessible from your address bar I don't understand this movement to promote Microsoft/Bing, when the star of the show is ChatGPT itself, ChatGPT makes Google/Bing useless to begin with

deleted 4y ago
[deleted]
nonethewiser 4y ago
>People mostly use Google to find ChatGPT website People will still look for ChatGPT website On that note, couldnt Google just show bongs ChatGPT results? I suppose there are probably some legal issues there.
- mercer 4y ago
  I dunno, my search results usually decrease in quality when a bong is involved
spinningslate 4y ago
> They won't look for "Bing" to use ChatGPT No insider knowledge, but it would seem a marketing snafu to go down that route. ChatGPT has brand awareness: Microsoft has exclusive access to ChatGPT. They've been canny with Github by _not_ branding it Microsoft. >And if you use ChatGPT, you don't need to use Bing or Google Indeed. So how can Microsoft disintermediate Google given they don't own either the browser or current internet search? Windows is one possibility: integrate ChatGPT direct into Windows search. The market certainly isn't as big as mobile - but it's not small either. All speculation obviously. I'll have the popcorn out too.

nonethewiser 4y ago

This is how I thought askjeeves worked when I was 10.

thom 4y ago
What’s really funny about this is that the answer to “what’s the meaning of life?” on Ask Jeeves about 20 years ago was an Eliezer Yudkowsky essay on AI saying that if we’re too dumb to know the meaning of life, we should build machines that are smart enough to work it out.

TechBro8615 4y ago

I've been defaulting to Bing over Google for non-programming queries for a while now. The results are objective and clearly devoid of whatever bias filter Google applies before returning what it thinks I'm asking for.

vitorgrs 4y ago

Bing with ChatGPT-4 already leaked so just a matter of time. https://medium.com/@owenyin/scoop-oh-the-things-youll-do-with-bing-s-chatgpt-62b42d8d7198 https://medium.com/@owenyin/scoop-oh-the-things-youll-do-wit...

dougmwne 4y ago
Holy hell. If that is real then Google is FUUUCKED.
- rhdunn 4y ago
  TBH, if Bing with ChatGPT can a) understand what I'm trying to search for (e.g. when searching about specific errors like "windows taskbar bug showing empty windows in the taskbar for icons in the system tray"), b) find the relevant information and answers, and c) show links that I can go to to verify that information/answer then I'd switch to Bing with ChatGPT for those types of search as Google has been getting steadily worse around this. For the search above, Google shows results for blank/missing icons in the taskbar, etc. which are not the issue I'm trying to find information about. There are many other queries I've tried to get information from by a Google search, but haven't been able to make Google understand what I'm looking for -- instead, it tries to figure out what I mean, but ends up returning unrelated results.
  - techdragon 4y ago
    I’d genuinely pay for this. It’s the first one that might be worth it. (For me at least) I’ve been skeptical about the value of AI driven services despite the results, I’ve got DiffusionBee on my MacBook Pro with me everywhere, I use it from time to time and it’s surprisingly useful… But the effort to train myself on prompt engineering in order to get the kinds of results that are worth me paying a monthly service for… sorry that’s where it falls apart. I’ve got shit to do and these things are meant to be “smart” and save time. I don’t really have time to learn an entirely undocumented domain specific language hidden inside the ML model. I got early access to GPT v3 and the other OpenAI models in their limited public beta periods… I’ve used my beta credits and all that… the thing is… I clearly don’t think/write/talk like other people other because universally my results have been fucking garbage until I sit down and think very hard what the computer might be expecting in order to get better results. This continues to frustrate me as I’ve done tech support for a living for years earlier in my career, described technical computer related concepts and instructions to someone over the phone with no way to know what’s going on except asking them what they are seeing on their computer… and no I wasn’t just reading off a flow chart, about the only cheat sheet I needed was a list of useful keyboard shortcuts to get to things like system info, and some screenshots of windows desktops to make it easier to quickly describe visual points of reference for things to help guide the user I was helping… I did it so long I’ve been told I have a “tech support voice” when I mode switch into trying to genuinely help someone with a computer… and all these ML tools before ChatGPT where to use a colloquialism “as thick as two short planks” and dealing with them (prior to ChatGPT) was very frustrating. The ChatGPT is genuinely quite a lot better at understanding me and while it is prone to hallucinations and i continue to find the shallow pools of creativity where it absolutely loves to repeat itself (I once asked to generate a list of 50 name suggestions for specific kind of company and managed to get it to repeat itself twice) … Point is I’d absolutely pay for this and probably halve the amount of google search (if not more since it’s hard to gauge a count of how much automatic almost reflex rephrases and re-searching I do on google due to poor results ) I use if I can pay for this to ensure good service quality. This is definitely worth $25AU a month if it doesn’t suck.