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Let us not forget certain fascists who claimed they’d outlaw all trans people and force them to detransition. Let us not forget how many trans people have died

Let us not forget certain fascists who claimed they’d outlaw all trans people and force them to detransition. Let us not forget how many trans people have died at the hands of bigots.

re-actor 4y ago
Not only claimed, they've passed laws to that effect
nomel 4y ago
Please make discussion possible by giving specifics rather than using unnecessary secretive terms like “certain people” and “they”. Forcing people to guess should be avoided, especially since not everyone is where you’re from. Links to examples are also helpful.
- ekleraki 4y ago
  They are referring to Trump running on the platform of punishing doctors for offering gender affirming healthcare, and banning transitioning. Apparently stating facts is worthy of downvotes. Keep it classy HN.
  - nomel 4y ago
    > Apparently stating facts is worthy of downvotes. Keep it classy HN. I don't think this is the case, since there were no facts presented. Your guess seems to differ from the other person [1], which proves that some clarity would have helped the discussion. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34680938 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34680938
    - PartiallyTyped 4y ago
      They presented the comments made by Trump. Whether you are unaware of it or not doesn’t make them not true. As the commenter said, google is your friend. https://www.axios.com/2023/01/31/trump-transgender-rights-lgbtq https://www.axios.com/2023/01/31/trump-transgender-rights-lg...
- freejazz 4y ago
  Utah just banned transitioning youth. Google is your friend, no need to guess.
  - xcxs 4y ago
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    - freejazz 4y ago
      I mean you are describing it as a contagion, this isn't going to be a worthwhile conversation, but, I will just say that I disagree.
      - xcxs 4y ago
        [flagged]
        freejazz 4y ago
        What do you mean its a familiar pattern? What do you mean better explanation? You don't have an explanation, you just have a pejorative descriptor... I'm genuinely uninterested in post-battling somebody who seems to have an axe to grind over this.
        braingenious 4y ago
        This person created an account just to anonymously post decade-old recycled *channer content. It’s pointless to ask a question that can’t be answered by feverishly searching old greentext, as low-effort trolls can’t actually form opinions of their own
        xcxs 4y ago
        [flagged]
  - nomel 4y ago
    The fact that two people responded with two different answers shows that guessing is required. Indirectness is popular with these types of topics, and I don't understand why. It's almost like it's used to preemptively set up a fight, with responses similar to yours, like "Well, you're not paying attention" or "How could you not know?". It's not useful, to anyone.
Levitz 4y ago
There is a certain irony to decrying attacks on trans ideology dogma as "fascism" while defending censorship. It is not through silence and imposition that healthy social order changes. Demands are made while little public discourse has even taken place and the more friction that creates the more those demanding feel vindicated, the more rejection fosters. It seems like rather than changing hearts, the trans movement decided it was in the right and set itself to impart justice, whether the public understands it or not. Not quite fascistic, definitely totalitarian, that makes it way closer to actual fascism than anything that is often pointed as such though. Shame.
- deleted 4y ago
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- PartiallyTyped 4y ago
  Totalitarian refers to a single party controlling the government. I didnt support censorship either. You created a strawman that i couldnt respond due to the sheer volume of downvotes. I support people expressing their thoughts freely so that I know who is dangerous, and who is not. Who has a disdain for my mere existence, and who is willing to stand in support of minorities. The reality is that bigots will only get emboldened, as they have, and it’s not due to censorship, it’s due to strawmans and falsehoods pushed by prominent bigots. I merely pointed to bigots killing people, and to prominent politicians who embolden the bigots, and rally them under a false flag, under a supposedly “holy” cause, under the so-called protection of conservative values. Shame on you, for jumping to conclusions and creating strawmans.

Let us not forget certain fascists who claimed they’d outlaw all trans people and force them to detransition. Let us not forget how many trans people have died at the hands of bigots.

re-actor 4y ago

Not only claimed, they've passed laws to that effect

nomel 4y ago

Please make discussion possible by giving specifics rather than using unnecessary secretive terms like “certain people” and “they”. Forcing people to guess should be avoided, especially since not everyone is where you’re from. Links to examples are also helpful.

ekleraki 4y ago
They are referring to Trump running on the platform of punishing doctors for offering gender affirming healthcare, and banning transitioning. Apparently stating facts is worthy of downvotes. Keep it classy HN.
- nomel 4y ago
  > Apparently stating facts is worthy of downvotes. Keep it classy HN. I don't think this is the case, since there were no facts presented. Your guess seems to differ from the other person [1], which proves that some clarity would have helped the discussion. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34680938 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34680938
  - PartiallyTyped 4y ago
    They presented the comments made by Trump. Whether you are unaware of it or not doesn’t make them not true. As the commenter said, google is your friend. https://www.axios.com/2023/01/31/trump-transgender-rights-lgbtq https://www.axios.com/2023/01/31/trump-transgender-rights-lg...
freejazz 4y ago
Utah just banned transitioning youth. Google is your friend, no need to guess.
- xcxs 4y ago
  [flagged]
  - freejazz 4y ago
    I mean you are describing it as a contagion, this isn't going to be a worthwhile conversation, but, I will just say that I disagree.
    - xcxs 4y ago
      [flagged]
      - freejazz 4y ago
        What do you mean its a familiar pattern? What do you mean better explanation? You don't have an explanation, you just have a pejorative descriptor... I'm genuinely uninterested in post-battling somebody who seems to have an axe to grind over this.
        braingenious 4y ago
        This person created an account just to anonymously post decade-old recycled *channer content. It’s pointless to ask a question that can’t be answered by feverishly searching old greentext, as low-effort trolls can’t actually form opinions of their own
        xcxs 4y ago
        [flagged]
- nomel 4y ago
  The fact that two people responded with two different answers shows that guessing is required. Indirectness is popular with these types of topics, and I don't understand why. It's almost like it's used to preemptively set up a fight, with responses similar to yours, like "Well, you're not paying attention" or "How could you not know?". It's not useful, to anyone.

Levitz 4y ago

There is a certain irony to decrying attacks on trans ideology dogma as "fascism" while defending censorship. It is not through silence and imposition that healthy social order changes. Demands are made while little public discourse has even taken place and the more friction that creates the more those demanding feel vindicated, the more rejection fosters. It seems like rather than changing hearts, the trans movement decided it was in the right and set itself to impart justice, whether the public understands it or not. Not quite fascistic, definitely totalitarian, that makes it way closer to actual fascism than anything that is often pointed as such though. Shame.

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PartiallyTyped 4y ago
Totalitarian refers to a single party controlling the government. I didnt support censorship either. You created a strawman that i couldnt respond due to the sheer volume of downvotes. I support people expressing their thoughts freely so that I know who is dangerous, and who is not. Who has a disdain for my mere existence, and who is willing to stand in support of minorities. The reality is that bigots will only get emboldened, as they have, and it’s not due to censorship, it’s due to strawmans and falsehoods pushed by prominent bigots. I merely pointed to bigots killing people, and to prominent politicians who embolden the bigots, and rally them under a false flag, under a supposedly “holy” cause, under the so-called protection of conservative values. Shame on you, for jumping to conclusions and creating strawmans.