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sometimes you can't have nice things because there are people who will abuse them. there are actual Nazis out there who want to put people in ovens, so it's ta

sometimes you can't have nice things because there are people who will abuse them. there are actual Nazis out there who want to put people in ovens, so it's taboo to make jokes about how they may have a point. similar thing with trans people, you mention them and trolls come out of the woodwork saying they should kill themselves. there are a lot of horrible people and trollish behaviors online, and sometimes the only way to deal is to avoid the topic that brings it out, which kind of aligns with the objectives the trolls wanted in the first place. social media isn't making these calls as some kind of woke social engineering, they're making them to avoid a death spiral into a cesspool that destroys their business and civil society itself. Yeah, it's silly to read "AI comic canceled for transphobia", but maybe it's not just the community standards that are the issue. "Evolution of democracy is not possible if we are not prepared to hear the other side." "Democracy is a great institution and, therefore, it is liable to be greatly abused."

RockyMcNuts 4y ago
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/02/kiwi-farms-die-drop-cloudflare-chandler-trolls/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/02/kiwi-farms-die-... https://www.vice.com/en/article/z34ane/neo-nazi-homeschool-ohio?fbclid=IwAR3IC39gIMKWoScUBBD8sFroG6OQjycz7he4-k9uGlaUjyXZMiKs8Jd2EVo https://www.vice.com/en/article/z34ane/neo-nazi-homeschool-o...
PartiallyTyped 4y ago
Let us not forget certain fascists who claimed they’d outlaw all trans people and force them to detransition. Let us not forget how many trans people have died at the hands of bigots.
- re-actor 4y ago
  Not only claimed, they've passed laws to that effect
- nomel 4y ago
  Please make discussion possible by giving specifics rather than using unnecessary secretive terms like “certain people” and “they”. Forcing people to guess should be avoided, especially since not everyone is where you’re from. Links to examples are also helpful.
  - ekleraki 4y ago
    They are referring to Trump running on the platform of punishing doctors for offering gender affirming healthcare, and banning transitioning. Apparently stating facts is worthy of downvotes. Keep it classy HN.
    - nomel 4y ago
      > Apparently stating facts is worthy of downvotes. Keep it classy HN. I don't think this is the case, since there were no facts presented. Your guess seems to differ from the other person [1], which proves that some clarity would have helped the discussion. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34680938 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34680938
      - PartiallyTyped 4y ago
        They presented the comments made by Trump. Whether you are unaware of it or not doesn’t make them not true. As the commenter said, google is your friend. https://www.axios.com/2023/01/31/trump-transgender-rights-lgbtq https://www.axios.com/2023/01/31/trump-transgender-rights-lg...
  - freejazz 4y ago
    Utah just banned transitioning youth. Google is your friend, no need to guess.
    - xcxs 4y ago
      [flagged]
- Levitz 4y ago
  There is a certain irony to decrying attacks on trans ideology dogma as "fascism" while defending censorship. It is not through silence and imposition that healthy social order changes. Demands are made while little public discourse has even taken place and the more friction that creates the more those demanding feel vindicated, the more rejection fosters. It seems like rather than changing hearts, the trans movement decided it was in the right and set itself to impart justice, whether the public understands it or not. Not quite fascistic, definitely totalitarian, that makes it way closer to actual fascism than anything that is often pointed as such though. Shame.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - PartiallyTyped 4y ago
    Totalitarian refers to a single party controlling the government. I didnt support censorship either. You created a strawman that i couldnt respond due to the sheer volume of downvotes. I support people expressing their thoughts freely so that I know who is dangerous, and who is not. Who has a disdain for my mere existence, and who is willing to stand in support of minorities. The reality is that bigots will only get emboldened, as they have, and it’s not due to censorship, it’s due to strawmans and falsehoods pushed by prominent bigots. I merely pointed to bigots killing people, and to prominent politicians who embolden the bigots, and rally them under a false flag, under a supposedly “holy” cause, under the so-called protection of conservative values. Shame on you, for jumping to conclusions and creating strawmans.
throwaway894345 4y ago
Honestly it kind of feels like this is an argument for getting rid of social media altogether rather than filtering social media through a narrow ideological lens (which has no problem with trolling other groups, by the way). This comment is only slightly tongue-in-cheek.

RockyMcNuts 4y ago

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/02/kiwi-farms-die-drop-cloudflare-chandler-trolls/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/02/kiwi-farms-die-... https://www.vice.com/en/article/z34ane/neo-nazi-homeschool-ohio?fbclid=IwAR3IC39gIMKWoScUBBD8sFroG6OQjycz7he4-k9uGlaUjyXZMiKs8Jd2EVo https://www.vice.com/en/article/z34ane/neo-nazi-homeschool-o...

PartiallyTyped 4y ago

Let us not forget certain fascists who claimed they’d outlaw all trans people and force them to detransition. Let us not forget how many trans people have died at the hands of bigots.

re-actor 4y ago
Not only claimed, they've passed laws to that effect
nomel 4y ago
Please make discussion possible by giving specifics rather than using unnecessary secretive terms like “certain people” and “they”. Forcing people to guess should be avoided, especially since not everyone is where you’re from. Links to examples are also helpful.
- ekleraki 4y ago
  They are referring to Trump running on the platform of punishing doctors for offering gender affirming healthcare, and banning transitioning. Apparently stating facts is worthy of downvotes. Keep it classy HN.
  - nomel 4y ago
    > Apparently stating facts is worthy of downvotes. Keep it classy HN. I don't think this is the case, since there were no facts presented. Your guess seems to differ from the other person [1], which proves that some clarity would have helped the discussion. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34680938 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34680938
    - PartiallyTyped 4y ago
      They presented the comments made by Trump. Whether you are unaware of it or not doesn’t make them not true. As the commenter said, google is your friend. https://www.axios.com/2023/01/31/trump-transgender-rights-lgbtq https://www.axios.com/2023/01/31/trump-transgender-rights-lg...
- freejazz 4y ago
  Utah just banned transitioning youth. Google is your friend, no need to guess.
  - xcxs 4y ago
    [flagged]
Levitz 4y ago
There is a certain irony to decrying attacks on trans ideology dogma as "fascism" while defending censorship. It is not through silence and imposition that healthy social order changes. Demands are made while little public discourse has even taken place and the more friction that creates the more those demanding feel vindicated, the more rejection fosters. It seems like rather than changing hearts, the trans movement decided it was in the right and set itself to impart justice, whether the public understands it or not. Not quite fascistic, definitely totalitarian, that makes it way closer to actual fascism than anything that is often pointed as such though. Shame.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- PartiallyTyped 4y ago
  Totalitarian refers to a single party controlling the government. I didnt support censorship either. You created a strawman that i couldnt respond due to the sheer volume of downvotes. I support people expressing their thoughts freely so that I know who is dangerous, and who is not. Who has a disdain for my mere existence, and who is willing to stand in support of minorities. The reality is that bigots will only get emboldened, as they have, and it’s not due to censorship, it’s due to strawmans and falsehoods pushed by prominent bigots. I merely pointed to bigots killing people, and to prominent politicians who embolden the bigots, and rally them under a false flag, under a supposedly “holy” cause, under the so-called protection of conservative values. Shame on you, for jumping to conclusions and creating strawmans.

throwaway894345 4y ago

Honestly it kind of feels like this is an argument for getting rid of social media altogether rather than filtering social media through a narrow ideological lens (which has no problem with trolling other groups, by the way). This comment is only slightly tongue-in-cheek.