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It has been brought up in the earnings reports for most ad tech companies since it was released. It’s been a massive impact. Anyone who wants to measure the imp

It has been brought up in the earnings reports for most ad tech companies since it was released. It’s been a massive impact. Anyone who wants to measure the impact of their ads is now competing with big players who can afford to spray and pray. You can no longer tell if someone saw your ad yesterday and decided to come to your website to buy it today.

jason-phillips 4y ago
Shiver me timbers
notyourwork 4y ago
And I’m fine with that. Companies that support my privacy and respect boundaries can have all my money.
- todd3834 4y ago
  I think most of us generally agree but it is interesting to see the impact. I’m curious how many people tap ”Allow app to track me”. Knowing what it used for and feeling like it isn’t _that_ big of a deal, I have never once given permission. It doesn’t feel like my problem so don’t track me.
- sangnoir 4y ago
  This is the opposite of "Buy Local" to those that care about that sort of thing, as Walmart can afford non-targeted ads vs. small mom-and-pop groceries.
bo1024 4y ago
I would like to know more about who exactly is impacted. The article mentions that Nike's revenue is way up, so I guess they weren't hurt too bad by less targeted advertisement. Is it only adtech that is damaged here, or adtech's customers?
- todd3834 4y ago
  My guess would be that most of the small margin advertisers can’t afford these traffic channels anymore. Anyone who can’t afford to attribute traffic at a wider scale.
  - morelisp 4y ago
    It's both adtech and adtech's customers who are getting hurt. Small/mid sized adtech (and eventually any not directly attached to a platform) can't do shit anymore. Small/mid sized customers therefore have to go to the bigger platforms (YouTube and Facebook, notably) to get anything decent. They're paying more for less, and power is concentrating in the big adtech players further. The flip side is, security of personal data is on average significantly better. But overall privacy seems like a wash or marginally worse, to become significantly worse once monopoly abuses kick in.
shostack 4y ago
Big players aren't "spraying and praying" by and large. This is a common misconception. They often have spend large enough to do properly controlled (long term/geo hold outs, etc) statistical experiments to determine incremental lift with MMM and such. Is there some waste? Sure. But certainly no worse (and likely better) than small businesses who don't have the volume who are paying for clicks without proper incrementality based measurement.
- todd3834 4y ago
  Good point! I’ll refine my statement and simply suggest that those with smaller margins are unable to afford to do this same thing.
  - disgruntledphd2 4y ago
    And specifically, they could afford to start advertising, safe in the knowledge that they'd make the most of their tiny budget. It's pretty sad what has happened to lots of niche businesses since the ATT change.

jason-phillips 4y ago

Shiver me timbers

notyourwork 4y ago

And I’m fine with that. Companies that support my privacy and respect boundaries can have all my money.

todd3834 4y ago
I think most of us generally agree but it is interesting to see the impact. I’m curious how many people tap ”Allow app to track me”. Knowing what it used for and feeling like it isn’t _that_ big of a deal, I have never once given permission. It doesn’t feel like my problem so don’t track me.
sangnoir 4y ago
This is the opposite of "Buy Local" to those that care about that sort of thing, as Walmart can afford non-targeted ads vs. small mom-and-pop groceries.

bo1024 4y ago

I would like to know more about who exactly is impacted. The article mentions that Nike's revenue is way up, so I guess they weren't hurt too bad by less targeted advertisement. Is it only adtech that is damaged here, or adtech's customers?

todd3834 4y ago
My guess would be that most of the small margin advertisers can’t afford these traffic channels anymore. Anyone who can’t afford to attribute traffic at a wider scale.
- morelisp 4y ago
  It's both adtech and adtech's customers who are getting hurt. Small/mid sized adtech (and eventually any not directly attached to a platform) can't do shit anymore. Small/mid sized customers therefore have to go to the bigger platforms (YouTube and Facebook, notably) to get anything decent. They're paying more for less, and power is concentrating in the big adtech players further. The flip side is, security of personal data is on average significantly better. But overall privacy seems like a wash or marginally worse, to become significantly worse once monopoly abuses kick in.

shostack 4y ago

Big players aren't "spraying and praying" by and large. This is a common misconception. They often have spend large enough to do properly controlled (long term/geo hold outs, etc) statistical experiments to determine incremental lift with MMM and such. Is there some waste? Sure. But certainly no worse (and likely better) than small businesses who don't have the volume who are paying for clicks without proper incrementality based measurement.

todd3834 4y ago
Good point! I’ll refine my statement and simply suggest that those with smaller margins are unable to afford to do this same thing.
- disgruntledphd2 4y ago
  And specifically, they could afford to start advertising, safe in the knowledge that they'd make the most of their tiny budget. It's pretty sad what has happened to lots of niche businesses since the ATT change.