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Drastic is a bit strong. A cartoon character on an infinite streaming tv experiment made a bad joke (which appears to be more of a bad meta-joke). The fact that

Drastic is a bit strong. A cartoon character on an infinite streaming tv experiment made a bad joke (which appears to be more of a bad meta-joke). The fact that the stakes are so low is presumably why they changed the model. If it was flying an airplane or something that mattered, they probably would have taken more care. The change they made had a completely acceptable risk / consequence tradeoff

yifanl 4y ago
Drastic is relative to the expected impact of the application. There isn't much worse that can possibly happen to a bot-generated stream than having the stream taken down by the powers-that-be.
- timr 4y ago
  This is like saying that having something taken down by a mod on reddit is a "drastic consequence". I mean, sure...the content is removed, but in most cases, the reason for the action is subjective and somewhat arbitrary. To me, this is less a commentary on AI than on the absurd sensitivities of community moderation.
  - madeofpalk 4y ago
    "Website makes moderation decision some people disagree with" is a lot less novel or interesting.
  - yifanl 4y ago
    Again, the drasticness of a consequence is defined by the system you're trying to build for. If you build a bot to automate your streaming so you can have 100% stream uptime and you end up with 0% uptime, that's because your product failed drastically. (Keeping in mind, as arbitrary and subjective the rules of Twitch are, the vast majority of human streamers have never been banned for arbitrary moderation)
  - tinus_hn 4y ago
    For many people Twitch streams are their primary source of income, this kind of ban can have quite a lot of impact. And then besides the ban there is the chilling effect because no one wants to skirt the rules and risk a ban. And that is what allows social justice warriors to dictate what others can make jokes about.
    - madeofpalk 4y ago
      Does Hacker News have such a chilling effect because it also has rules about what you can and can not post?
      - tinus_hn 4y ago
        Hacker News is not a generic entertainment forum. Twitch is applying a chilling effect to comedians.
anonymouskimmer 4y ago
> If it was flying an airplane or something that mattered, they probably would have taken more care. I think the usual response to comments like this is: "Oh you sweet summer child". Not that you're technically wrong, but from years of headlines it's often enough that even if extra care is taken, it's not always sufficient.

yifanl 4y ago

Drastic is relative to the expected impact of the application. There isn't much worse that can possibly happen to a bot-generated stream than having the stream taken down by the powers-that-be.

timr 4y ago
This is like saying that having something taken down by a mod on reddit is a "drastic consequence". I mean, sure...the content is removed, but in most cases, the reason for the action is subjective and somewhat arbitrary. To me, this is less a commentary on AI than on the absurd sensitivities of community moderation.
- madeofpalk 4y ago
  "Website makes moderation decision some people disagree with" is a lot less novel or interesting.
- yifanl 4y ago
  Again, the drasticness of a consequence is defined by the system you're trying to build for. If you build a bot to automate your streaming so you can have 100% stream uptime and you end up with 0% uptime, that's because your product failed drastically. (Keeping in mind, as arbitrary and subjective the rules of Twitch are, the vast majority of human streamers have never been banned for arbitrary moderation)
- tinus_hn 4y ago
  For many people Twitch streams are their primary source of income, this kind of ban can have quite a lot of impact. And then besides the ban there is the chilling effect because no one wants to skirt the rules and risk a ban. And that is what allows social justice warriors to dictate what others can make jokes about.
  - madeofpalk 4y ago
    Does Hacker News have such a chilling effect because it also has rules about what you can and can not post?
    - tinus_hn 4y ago
      Hacker News is not a generic entertainment forum. Twitch is applying a chilling effect to comedians.

anonymouskimmer 4y ago

> If it was flying an airplane or something that mattered, they probably would have taken more care. I think the usual response to comments like this is: "Oh you sweet summer child". Not that you're technically wrong, but from years of headlines it's often enough that even if extra care is taken, it's not always sufficient.