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I challenge your interpretation of a joke generator making a joke as "drastic consequences." Twitch has arcane rules about what can be streamed. As a streamer y

I challenge your interpretation of a joke generator making a joke as "drastic consequences." Twitch has arcane rules about what can be streamed. As a streamer you have to tip-toe around topics (or jokes) regarding specific protected classes. This is a matter of arbitrary lines in the sand.

Macha 4y ago
For a joke generator, making an offensive joke that gets the generator banned from the primary source it uses to reach users seems pretty high up their on the range of negative possible outcomes. That's the point of the comment, if you were applying AI in more serious scenarios, would this be an AI confidently advising a doctor to overdose a patient, or advising a judge to incarcerate someone based on racist inferences from the set of people currently incarcerated?
- iso1631 4y ago
  > For a joke generator I'm confused, I thought it was supposed to be generating Seinfeld episodes, not jokes?
  - adamrezich 4y ago
    Seinfeld episodes usually open and close with Jerry doing standup in a club, a format that Nothing, Forever emulates.
- neuronexmachina 4y ago
  Or mental health: https://gizmodo.com/mental-health-therapy-app-ai-koko-chatgpt-rob-morris-1849965534 https://gizmodo.com/mental-health-therapy-app-ai-koko-chatgp...
causi 4y ago
Am I wrong in thinking that getting your feelings hurt by an AI making an offensive joke is the equivalent of thinking you've been doxxed when a random number generator spits out your phone number?
- version_five 4y ago
  This is a great analogy! $ seq -w 9999999
  - Pyramus 4y ago
    Isn't the purpose of machine learning to learn something, not nothing/randomness?
    - version_five 4y ago
      The point is that whether it's an RNG or language model or just a program printing a list of numbers like I posted, it's just a state machine spitting stuff out, it has no intention. So it's not really productive to get mad at it just because it produced something you don't like. The language model is spitting out random stuff based on the representation it has learned. It doesn't know what it means, nobody is making any kind of value judgement that results in it saying stuff, so why get offended by it? Edit: Because if our adversaries are the products of inanimate and unthinking evolution, we cannot regard the problem in terms of revenge or payback... that would be no different than whipping the ocean for having sunk a ship and drowned its sailors - Stanislaw Lem, The Invincible
      - widowlark 4y ago
        I think it's fair to say that the anger people might feel is probably directed at the creators/owners of the AI, rather than the AI itself
      - crote 4y ago
        That's like saying a book has no intention. It's just a bunch of ink and paper - it's completely neutral! However, the AI may not have been trained in a neutral way, and the person using it may not be using it in a neutral way. If you create an AI product, you are responsible for its output. People aren't mad at the model itself, they are mad at its creators. Why did they create an AI which ends up insulting people and breaking the ToS of the platform it is on?
cobertos 4y ago
Getting banned feels pretty drastic, especially for the amount of time they put into this project to just have it wiped from Twitch. But perhaps it's not a perma ban? And Twitch's rules only seem as arcane as YouTube and Facebook too. Maybe not Twitter.

Macha 4y ago

For a joke generator, making an offensive joke that gets the generator banned from the primary source it uses to reach users seems pretty high up their on the range of negative possible outcomes. That's the point of the comment, if you were applying AI in more serious scenarios, would this be an AI confidently advising a doctor to overdose a patient, or advising a judge to incarcerate someone based on racist inferences from the set of people currently incarcerated?

iso1631 4y ago
> For a joke generator I'm confused, I thought it was supposed to be generating Seinfeld episodes, not jokes?
- adamrezich 4y ago
  Seinfeld episodes usually open and close with Jerry doing standup in a club, a format that Nothing, Forever emulates.
neuronexmachina 4y ago
Or mental health: https://gizmodo.com/mental-health-therapy-app-ai-koko-chatgpt-rob-morris-1849965534 https://gizmodo.com/mental-health-therapy-app-ai-koko-chatgp...

causi 4y ago

Am I wrong in thinking that getting your feelings hurt by an AI making an offensive joke is the equivalent of thinking you've been doxxed when a random number generator spits out your phone number?

version_five 4y ago
This is a great analogy! $ seq -w 9999999
- Pyramus 4y ago
  Isn't the purpose of machine learning to learn something, not nothing/randomness?
  - version_five 4y ago
    The point is that whether it's an RNG or language model or just a program printing a list of numbers like I posted, it's just a state machine spitting stuff out, it has no intention. So it's not really productive to get mad at it just because it produced something you don't like. The language model is spitting out random stuff based on the representation it has learned. It doesn't know what it means, nobody is making any kind of value judgement that results in it saying stuff, so why get offended by it? Edit: Because if our adversaries are the products of inanimate and unthinking evolution, we cannot regard the problem in terms of revenge or payback... that would be no different than whipping the ocean for having sunk a ship and drowned its sailors - Stanislaw Lem, The Invincible
    - widowlark 4y ago
      I think it's fair to say that the anger people might feel is probably directed at the creators/owners of the AI, rather than the AI itself
    - crote 4y ago
      That's like saying a book has no intention. It's just a bunch of ink and paper - it's completely neutral! However, the AI may not have been trained in a neutral way, and the person using it may not be using it in a neutral way. If you create an AI product, you are responsible for its output. People aren't mad at the model itself, they are mad at its creators. Why did they create an AI which ends up insulting people and breaking the ToS of the platform it is on?

cobertos 4y ago

Getting banned feels pretty drastic, especially for the amount of time they put into this project to just have it wiped from Twitch. But perhaps it's not a perma ban? And Twitch's rules only seem as arcane as YouTube and Facebook too. Maybe not Twitter.