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No, comedy can still be offensive. Anyone suggesting comedians can't be offensive is lying. Comedians routinely punch down, and routinely sell out shows. The be

No, comedy can still be offensive. Anyone suggesting comedians can't be offensive is lying. Comedians routinely punch down, and routinely sell out shows. The believe that comedian's can't be offensive is a shtick they are using to market their shows to an audience. It's all advertising and marketing, and the gullible eat it up because it feeds into their bias.

slothtrop 4y ago
https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/do-you-want-cancel-culture-to-exist https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/do-you-want-cancel-cult...
- silvester23 4y ago
  I only read the first two sections of that article but they already contain such strange assertions that I don't think it's worth it to bother with the rest: > I think “a culture where social norms are enforced with repeated and vociferous public shaming” is the most useful way to define the term. That might be the most useful way for the author to make their point, but as far as I am aware, for most people being cancelled definitely entails some sort of deplatforming, e.g. some BigCo not wanting to be associated with your name. If you keep doing what you're doing while being insulted on Twitter, that's not being cancelled, that's just ... well, Twitter. > What I find more interesting is that this argument requires the very thing that it laments. That is, in order to make this argument, you need to have figures like Louis CK who escape/survive the consequences of public shaming, but simultaneously to assert that this is a bad thing. In no way does the tweet embedded at the top of the article imply that it's a bad thing that Louis CK is playing MSG. It's saying that if we define being cancelled not in the way the author of the article did but the way I outlined above, someone who is supposedly cancelled would not be playing MSG. From there it makes the pretty big leap to say that cancel culture in general is not real. I'm not even that invested in the whole debate but this article seems completely misguided or in bad faith.
  - slothtrop 4y ago
    > for most people being cancelled definitely entails some sort of deplatforming, e.g. some BigCo not wanting to be associated with your name. Who's counting? It's trivial to find examples of people who've lost their jobs for innocuous reasons. See: David Shor. It's bad faith to pretend this doesn't happen. Usually for proponents or those denying the phenomenon exists the goalpost shifts to effectively shrugging it off as minor. Speech that begets consequences isn't strictly limited to bigotry, as we are told. > someone who is supposedly cancelled would not be playing MSG. He couldn't, until he could. It's not necessarily the case that public shunning lasts forever. Disingenuous to construe what happened to that man as something entirely different to what "cancellation" colloquially refers to.
hellojesus 4y ago
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- pyth0 4y ago
  > They adhered to the current mainstream religion of Marxism. This is complete delusion and shows absolutely no understanding of modern politics.
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- mrjnumber1 4y ago
  What in the writings of marx/engels/et al has anything to do with blue comedy?
  - hellojesus 4y ago
    My comment was specifically referring to transphobia (or more appropriately anything that doesn't paint trans% in a supportive light) being rehashed Marxism. For detail there: https://www.stitcher.com/show/new-discourses/episode/queer-theory-is-gender-marxism-et-cetera-201892797 https://www.stitcher.com/show/new-discourses/episode/queer-t... """ We often hear that Woke Marxism is a new ideology in the world. I've even said so. Well, it isn't. It's just an old one repackaged in various ways without any essential changes made to it at all. Critical Race Theory is Race Marxism in the same way as what we usually call Marxism is Class Marxism. Radical Feminism is Sex Marxism. Gender ideology and Queer Theory are Sex, Gender, and Sexuality Marxism, or just Gender Marxism or Sexual Marxism to be more concise. Fat studies is Fat Marxism. Disability studies is Ability Marxism. Critical Education Theory (Critical Pedagogy) is Knowledge Marxism in terms of what it means to be formally educated or literate within the existing system. Postmodern postructuralism is Language Marxism. Postcolonial Theory is National Origin Marxism. And on it goes, with all of these cobbled together by intersectionality, which is Identity Marxism. In this episode of the New Discourses Podcast, James Lindsay breaks down the essential kernel of Marxist thought and makes perfectly clear how all of the claims in this paragraph are true. Join him to understand what's going on in our world today in these simple, straightforward, yet sobering terms. """
boredhedgehog 4y ago
> Comedians routinely punch down How can you tell where down is though? If the group you're punching has enough clout to get you in trouble, it probably wasn't down.
vehemenz 4y ago
Conceptually, it's clearer to think of offense as a relation, not a property. This is because offense requires a specific audience and a specific context. Content alone is not offensive.

slothtrop 4y ago

https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/do-you-want-cancel-culture-to-exist https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/do-you-want-cancel-cult...

silvester23 4y ago
I only read the first two sections of that article but they already contain such strange assertions that I don't think it's worth it to bother with the rest: > I think “a culture where social norms are enforced with repeated and vociferous public shaming” is the most useful way to define the term. That might be the most useful way for the author to make their point, but as far as I am aware, for most people being cancelled definitely entails some sort of deplatforming, e.g. some BigCo not wanting to be associated with your name. If you keep doing what you're doing while being insulted on Twitter, that's not being cancelled, that's just ... well, Twitter. > What I find more interesting is that this argument requires the very thing that it laments. That is, in order to make this argument, you need to have figures like Louis CK who escape/survive the consequences of public shaming, but simultaneously to assert that this is a bad thing. In no way does the tweet embedded at the top of the article imply that it's a bad thing that Louis CK is playing MSG. It's saying that if we define being cancelled not in the way the author of the article did but the way I outlined above, someone who is supposedly cancelled would not be playing MSG. From there it makes the pretty big leap to say that cancel culture in general is not real. I'm not even that invested in the whole debate but this article seems completely misguided or in bad faith.
- slothtrop 4y ago
  > for most people being cancelled definitely entails some sort of deplatforming, e.g. some BigCo not wanting to be associated with your name. Who's counting? It's trivial to find examples of people who've lost their jobs for innocuous reasons. See: David Shor. It's bad faith to pretend this doesn't happen. Usually for proponents or those denying the phenomenon exists the goalpost shifts to effectively shrugging it off as minor. Speech that begets consequences isn't strictly limited to bigotry, as we are told. > someone who is supposedly cancelled would not be playing MSG. He couldn't, until he could. It's not necessarily the case that public shunning lasts forever. Disingenuous to construe what happened to that man as something entirely different to what "cancellation" colloquially refers to.

hellojesus 4y ago

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pyth0 4y ago
> They adhered to the current mainstream religion of Marxism. This is complete delusion and shows absolutely no understanding of modern politics.
- hellojesus 4y ago
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mrjnumber1 4y ago
What in the writings of marx/engels/et al has anything to do with blue comedy?
- hellojesus 4y ago
  My comment was specifically referring to transphobia (or more appropriately anything that doesn't paint trans% in a supportive light) being rehashed Marxism. For detail there: https://www.stitcher.com/show/new-discourses/episode/queer-theory-is-gender-marxism-et-cetera-201892797 https://www.stitcher.com/show/new-discourses/episode/queer-t... """ We often hear that Woke Marxism is a new ideology in the world. I've even said so. Well, it isn't. It's just an old one repackaged in various ways without any essential changes made to it at all. Critical Race Theory is Race Marxism in the same way as what we usually call Marxism is Class Marxism. Radical Feminism is Sex Marxism. Gender ideology and Queer Theory are Sex, Gender, and Sexuality Marxism, or just Gender Marxism or Sexual Marxism to be more concise. Fat studies is Fat Marxism. Disability studies is Ability Marxism. Critical Education Theory (Critical Pedagogy) is Knowledge Marxism in terms of what it means to be formally educated or literate within the existing system. Postmodern postructuralism is Language Marxism. Postcolonial Theory is National Origin Marxism. And on it goes, with all of these cobbled together by intersectionality, which is Identity Marxism. In this episode of the New Discourses Podcast, James Lindsay breaks down the essential kernel of Marxist thought and makes perfectly clear how all of the claims in this paragraph are true. Join him to understand what's going on in our world today in these simple, straightforward, yet sobering terms. """

boredhedgehog 4y ago

> Comedians routinely punch down How can you tell where down is though? If the group you're punching has enough clout to get you in trouble, it probably wasn't down.

vehemenz 4y ago

Conceptually, it's clearer to think of offense as a relation, not a property. This is because offense requires a specific audience and a specific context. Content alone is not offensive.