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Are you suggesting that Twitch should ignore accounts that violate the ToS, so long as it was a computer that violated the terms as opposed to a person?

alexb_ 4y ago
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- rideontime 4y ago
  > Computers can't learn from their mistakes. Humans can. That's the whole point behind bans, is it not? I think the point of bans is to keep TOS-violating content off of platforms, not to rehabilitate people.
  - brookst 4y ago
    Right? It’s so funny that people see this in terms of punishment and rehabilitation. Do people really mistake these platforms for their parents?
    - joxel 4y ago
      Seems like that’s only for permanent bans. I can’t see anything other than punishment/rehabilitation as the goal for a short term ban. Maybe I’m not thinking it through, but a short term ban doesn’t seem focused on just removing TOS violating material.
      - brookst 4y ago
        A short term ban is a cooldown period. They will give you another chance in case bad behavior was a mistake, but human nature is such that content produced immediately after a warning / very short ban is likely to be low quality “you can’t tell me what to do” crap. I’ve got no evidence, but I would like to believe that Twitch has experimented with ban lengths and found 14 days to be enough to reduce TOS-violating content but not so much that it reduces total content.
- AstixAndBelix 4y ago
  Yes, and the people behind the streame learned the mistake of using an older model with less safeguards
- deleted 4y ago
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- chabes 4y ago
  > Computers can't learn from their mistakes. Since when?
- anonymousab 4y ago
  > WHen it comes to AI anything, fear is the default. If you stream a video and showcase a comedian making ToS-violating jokes and content, twitch will ban you regardless of whether you're a person or a robot or a script or a fish in a tank. The only difference is if you're a major company or rights holder that Twitch wants to have a good relationship with. Or if you're a person with connections to the twitch mods and admins, they have a tendency to play favorites. But being AI generated content or not really isn't the issue here.
- chrischen 4y ago
  The AI is literally trained by rewarding it to not make mistakes.
- snowwrestler 4y ago
  If computers can’t learn from mistakes, how do machine learning systems ever improve the quality of what they generate?
- dsfyu404ed 4y ago
  >That's the whole point behind bans, is it not? I thought it was to allow rightthink and kick out wrongthink so we may curate areas in which the latter has been filtered out, a filter bubble if you will...
- 314 4y ago
  > Computers can't learn from their mistakes. Humans can. So.... Machine Learning is a thing. > That's the whole point behind bans, is it not? No, it may be one point behind imposing bans but it is not the whole (only) point. People can also learn from watching other's make mistakes. Bans communicate to people other than the person getting banned that something is unacceptable. In this case it seems to communicate that "but it is not a person it's a bot" will not be a srong enough reason to break their rules and escape a ban.
- mort96 4y ago
  Computers can't learn from their mistakes, but humans can learn from the mistakes of their computers. This ban seems to communicate to humans: You can stream computer-generated content, as long as that computer-generated content is appropriate for the platform. Seems completely fair to me.
- crote 4y ago
  Isn't the whole point that AI can learn from mistakes? A ban is just a message to the creator that it should only come back once it has figured out how to properly label its dataset so that the training complies with the ToS.
rhn_mk1 4y ago
Computers can't violate terms, not unless we start recognizing their personhood. They can't own accounts and they can't decide what content is shown any more than the rain can decide if my dog gets wet. So the notion of people being absolved of responsibility for the procsses they set in motion is absurd.

alexb_ 4y ago

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rideontime 4y ago
> Computers can't learn from their mistakes. Humans can. That's the whole point behind bans, is it not? I think the point of bans is to keep TOS-violating content off of platforms, not to rehabilitate people.
- brookst 4y ago
  Right? It’s so funny that people see this in terms of punishment and rehabilitation. Do people really mistake these platforms for their parents?
  - joxel 4y ago
    Seems like that’s only for permanent bans. I can’t see anything other than punishment/rehabilitation as the goal for a short term ban. Maybe I’m not thinking it through, but a short term ban doesn’t seem focused on just removing TOS violating material.
    - brookst 4y ago
      A short term ban is a cooldown period. They will give you another chance in case bad behavior was a mistake, but human nature is such that content produced immediately after a warning / very short ban is likely to be low quality “you can’t tell me what to do” crap. I’ve got no evidence, but I would like to believe that Twitch has experimented with ban lengths and found 14 days to be enough to reduce TOS-violating content but not so much that it reduces total content.
AstixAndBelix 4y ago
Yes, and the people behind the streame learned the mistake of using an older model with less safeguards
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chabes 4y ago
> Computers can't learn from their mistakes. Since when?
anonymousab 4y ago
> WHen it comes to AI anything, fear is the default. If you stream a video and showcase a comedian making ToS-violating jokes and content, twitch will ban you regardless of whether you're a person or a robot or a script or a fish in a tank. The only difference is if you're a major company or rights holder that Twitch wants to have a good relationship with. Or if you're a person with connections to the twitch mods and admins, they have a tendency to play favorites. But being AI generated content or not really isn't the issue here.
chrischen 4y ago
The AI is literally trained by rewarding it to not make mistakes.
snowwrestler 4y ago
If computers can’t learn from mistakes, how do machine learning systems ever improve the quality of what they generate?
dsfyu404ed 4y ago
>That's the whole point behind bans, is it not? I thought it was to allow rightthink and kick out wrongthink so we may curate areas in which the latter has been filtered out, a filter bubble if you will...
314 4y ago
> Computers can't learn from their mistakes. Humans can. So.... Machine Learning is a thing. > That's the whole point behind bans, is it not? No, it may be one point behind imposing bans but it is not the whole (only) point. People can also learn from watching other's make mistakes. Bans communicate to people other than the person getting banned that something is unacceptable. In this case it seems to communicate that "but it is not a person it's a bot" will not be a srong enough reason to break their rules and escape a ban.
mort96 4y ago
Computers can't learn from their mistakes, but humans can learn from the mistakes of their computers. This ban seems to communicate to humans: You can stream computer-generated content, as long as that computer-generated content is appropriate for the platform. Seems completely fair to me.
crote 4y ago
Isn't the whole point that AI can learn from mistakes? A ban is just a message to the creator that it should only come back once it has figured out how to properly label its dataset so that the training complies with the ToS.

rhn_mk1 4y ago

Computers can't violate terms, not unless we start recognizing their personhood. They can't own accounts and they can't decide what content is shown any more than the rain can decide if my dog gets wet. So the notion of people being absolved of responsibility for the procsses they set in motion is absurd.