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Honestly the "no one is laughing" punchline makes it hard for me to call this a transphobic joke. It's a transphobic-phobic joke and not gonna lie I chuckled.

onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
At the end, I thought... This could actually be one of Seinfeld's standups on the show, and he definitely wouldn't have got canceled for it.
- mjhay 4y ago
  At least no one was ever laughing from Seinfeld's standups.
  - jimmaswell 4y ago
    Do you really believe that nobody laughed at one of the most famous comedians of our time, or is this comment just some kind of signaling that you don't agree with the guy's views?
    - onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
      IIRC - the show was much funnier than the standup bits. The bits are too short to get really funny. Sometimes, they were quite good - but it's hard to go from a cold open to hysteria in <2 minutes. It's impressive if you can even get most people to laugh in that short of time.
    - mjhay 4y ago
      Seinfeld (the show) was funny because of Larry David, not Jerry Seinfeld.
tgv 4y ago
The delivery is so bad, you could take it either way. However, censoring a sentence like "thinking about making a joke about how transgender people are ruining the fabric of society" is very thought-police. In itself, it says nothing, and certainly cannot be seen as hate speech.
- PM_me_your_math 4y ago
  That have never mattered to the mob. Anyone who questions this new religion must be silenced.
  - ketzo 4y ago
    I don’t really see a mob on this one. Twitch has a platform policy that they enforced - probably a little too heavily here. Is there some sort of community outcry elsewhere? I think most people who understand the context of the clip (AI-generated Seinfeld) — even if, like me, their hackles rise at any kind of possibly-transphobic material - would think this was pretty tame/kinda funny.
    - throwaway894345 4y ago
      Agreed. This is more censorship than I'd prefer, but at least it was censorship by policy rather than censorship by mob whim (granted, the policy was probably shaped to avoid the sort of mob behavior we witnessed over the last decade).
      - pleadthefifth 4y ago
        I think it's more that Twitch's leadership takes certain things like this personally.
    - clnq 4y ago
      > I don’t really see a mob on this one Well, it either had to be mass-reported or spread online as a hate incident. I think Twitch mostly over-reacts to those.
      - DoctorOW 4y ago
        Is there evidence of this? It seems like nobody was even really talking about this before the ban and I find it hard to believe a huge movement rose up and then vanished without a trace.
mindslight 4y ago
That's one of the most unsettling parts of outrage/censorship culture. All that is really required to commit a foul is mentioning a topic in an unsanctioned way, regardless of what is actually said. The sanctioned ways are either having the right social pedigree (bona fides that imply good faith beyond reproach), or sticking to specific memes that have trickled down to the masses. It's like older religion where only priests could interpret the word of God, with anything else considered heresy.

onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago

At the end, I thought... This could actually be one of Seinfeld's standups on the show, and he definitely wouldn't have got canceled for it.

mjhay 4y ago
At least no one was ever laughing from Seinfeld's standups.
- jimmaswell 4y ago
  Do you really believe that nobody laughed at one of the most famous comedians of our time, or is this comment just some kind of signaling that you don't agree with the guy's views?
  - onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
    IIRC - the show was much funnier than the standup bits. The bits are too short to get really funny. Sometimes, they were quite good - but it's hard to go from a cold open to hysteria in <2 minutes. It's impressive if you can even get most people to laugh in that short of time.
  - mjhay 4y ago
    Seinfeld (the show) was funny because of Larry David, not Jerry Seinfeld.

tgv 4y ago

The delivery is so bad, you could take it either way. However, censoring a sentence like "thinking about making a joke about how transgender people are ruining the fabric of society" is very thought-police. In itself, it says nothing, and certainly cannot be seen as hate speech.

PM_me_your_math 4y ago
That have never mattered to the mob. Anyone who questions this new religion must be silenced.
- ketzo 4y ago
  I don’t really see a mob on this one. Twitch has a platform policy that they enforced - probably a little too heavily here. Is there some sort of community outcry elsewhere? I think most people who understand the context of the clip (AI-generated Seinfeld) — even if, like me, their hackles rise at any kind of possibly-transphobic material - would think this was pretty tame/kinda funny.
  - throwaway894345 4y ago
    Agreed. This is more censorship than I'd prefer, but at least it was censorship by policy rather than censorship by mob whim (granted, the policy was probably shaped to avoid the sort of mob behavior we witnessed over the last decade).
    - pleadthefifth 4y ago
      I think it's more that Twitch's leadership takes certain things like this personally.
  - clnq 4y ago
    > I don’t really see a mob on this one Well, it either had to be mass-reported or spread online as a hate incident. I think Twitch mostly over-reacts to those.
    - DoctorOW 4y ago
      Is there evidence of this? It seems like nobody was even really talking about this before the ban and I find it hard to believe a huge movement rose up and then vanished without a trace.

mindslight 4y ago

That's one of the most unsettling parts of outrage/censorship culture. All that is really required to commit a foul is mentioning a topic in an unsanctioned way, regardless of what is actually said. The sanctioned ways are either having the right social pedigree (bona fides that imply good faith beyond reproach), or sticking to specific memes that have trickled down to the masses. It's like older religion where only priests could interpret the word of God, with anything else considered heresy.