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Rust isn't popular, C# isn't general-purpose and the other two are older than Java.

by otabdeveloper4 4y ago

graboid 4y ago
I am curious, why do you think C# is less general-purpose than Java?
- simiones 4y ago
  I think they mean that C# is (or has been until fairly recently) Windows-only.
  - Octoth0rpe 4y ago
    Then they'd be wrong. .net was released in 2000; Mono was 1.0 by 2004, and IIRC was usable as early as late 2002. Put another way, for almost the entire lifetime of .net (19 out of 23 years), C# has been usable on linux.
    - cosmicradiance 4y ago
      Yet the open-source community didn't build anything useful at scale on mono/C#. The C# community has still little to compete with Java when building large scale backend applications. I will love to have alternates to Hadoop, Spark, Kafka and other top Apache projects. C# could have been much more if Microsoft collaborated with other open-source projects instead of actively fighting and killing them by offering the same functionality natively. All this for having a much tighter control over the ecosystem.
    - simiones 4y ago
      For most of its history, Mono was buggy, lagging behind, and slow. It was only ever a solution of last resort, if you absolutely had to migrate an existing Windows app to another platform. Microsoft tried to push it a bit once they bought it for cross-platform mobile dev (back when Windows Phone was still a thing), but that never took off to any extent either.
einpoklum 4y ago
> Rust isn't popular Fair enough - it's more fashionable that popular :-) It did close TIOBE's top 20 for 2022: https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ (and that includes non-general-purpose languages) ... but you're right in that I could have probably chosen Go or TypeScript. The point is that Java is not remotely the latest popular general-purpose programming language. > C# isn't general-purpose It is, see definition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General-purpose_programming_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General-purpose_programming_la... > and the other two are older than Java. Javascript was named after Java... see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript As for Python - you're technically right, but it only became popular after Java already was.

Rust isn't popular, C# isn't general-purpose and the other two are older than Java.

graboid 4y ago

I am curious, why do you think C# is less general-purpose than Java?

simiones 4y ago
I think they mean that C# is (or has been until fairly recently) Windows-only.
- Octoth0rpe 4y ago
  Then they'd be wrong. .net was released in 2000; Mono was 1.0 by 2004, and IIRC was usable as early as late 2002. Put another way, for almost the entire lifetime of .net (19 out of 23 years), C# has been usable on linux.
  - cosmicradiance 4y ago
    Yet the open-source community didn't build anything useful at scale on mono/C#. The C# community has still little to compete with Java when building large scale backend applications. I will love to have alternates to Hadoop, Spark, Kafka and other top Apache projects. C# could have been much more if Microsoft collaborated with other open-source projects instead of actively fighting and killing them by offering the same functionality natively. All this for having a much tighter control over the ecosystem.
  - simiones 4y ago
    For most of its history, Mono was buggy, lagging behind, and slow. It was only ever a solution of last resort, if you absolutely had to migrate an existing Windows app to another platform. Microsoft tried to push it a bit once they bought it for cross-platform mobile dev (back when Windows Phone was still a thing), but that never took off to any extent either.

einpoklum 4y ago

> Rust isn't popular Fair enough - it's more fashionable that popular :-) It did close TIOBE's top 20 for 2022: https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ (and that includes non-general-purpose languages) ... but you're right in that I could have probably chosen Go or TypeScript. The point is that Java is not remotely the latest popular general-purpose programming language. > C# isn't general-purpose It is, see definition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General-purpose_programming_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General-purpose_programming_la... > and the other two are older than Java. Javascript was named after Java... see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript As for Python - you're technically right, but it only became popular after Java already was.