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Have you ever considered that it's not some concerted effort to make you feel bad, but that there are actually a lot of people out there who could use the mento

Have you ever considered that it's not some concerted effort to make you feel bad, but that there are actually a lot of people out there who could use the mentorship and social aspects of going into the office?

bb88 4y ago
I don't buy it. I share a screen and mentor people over MS Teams in my company right now. The tools are out there. I think the social aspect of a soul sucking 2 hour commute every day is more harmful to an individual than any positive aspect of being around peers at work.
- civilized 4y ago
  And it's not like WFH is the universally enforced norm, the way office work used to be. There are still tons of companies that make everyone go to the office. People who need that are free to work for those companies. Nobody else owes them anything. When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.
  - grugagag 4y ago
    Pay people for commute time (1 to 2 hours a day) and we’ll talk about it again. For now forcing people into noisy environments seems to be in their disservice. As far as productivity goes, forcing people back into offices would probably make them less productive as well.
orwin 4y ago
I just started a 95% remote job (basically a day every two weeks), and the mentorship/onboarding/integration is actually better remotely. When we are onsite, we discuss stuff, we discuss about previsou jobs and work a bit, but we cannot isolate, the open space is loud and it's tiring tbh. Remotely, i ask "hey, i'm doing task #WXY-99 on project A, who can explain the stuff to me", and i have a two-hour mentorship on the project specifics. And sometimes more. I was taught a lot of stuff. But the management is the best management i had in my life (Ie very hands-off, but with strict work procedure i had to learn the first day), and they discovered the way to make me twice as productive: 5 hours of meeting maximum every week (as i'm new, i have 3 hours on average). The rest should be work or one to one. [edit]: And we do a lot of 1:1. Lot of reviews, pair programming, mentoring, discussing new feature, designing a DB... All that stuff that i used to do in "meetings" with 10 people are done on 1:1. Its faster, its a lot less performative, thus more productive and make the interaction more "real".
- imustbeevil 4y ago
  > [edit]: And we do a lot of 1:1. Lot of reviews, pair programming, mentoring, discussing new feature, designing a DB... All that stuff that i used to do in "meetings" with 10 people are done on 1:1. Its faster, its a lot less performative, thus more productive and make the interaction more "real". Damn that sounds great. Where I work we have the exact opposite; two people screen sharing and troubleshooting a problem only they are working on or understand, for 30 minutes at the end of morning standup...every day.
- ravagat 4y ago
  Sounds like you joined a great org that matched your style, hats off to ya for finding them.

bb88 4y ago

I don't buy it. I share a screen and mentor people over MS Teams in my company right now. The tools are out there. I think the social aspect of a soul sucking 2 hour commute every day is more harmful to an individual than any positive aspect of being around peers at work.

civilized 4y ago
And it's not like WFH is the universally enforced norm, the way office work used to be. There are still tons of companies that make everyone go to the office. People who need that are free to work for those companies. Nobody else owes them anything. When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.
- grugagag 4y ago
  Pay people for commute time (1 to 2 hours a day) and we’ll talk about it again. For now forcing people into noisy environments seems to be in their disservice. As far as productivity goes, forcing people back into offices would probably make them less productive as well.

orwin 4y ago

I just started a 95% remote job (basically a day every two weeks), and the mentorship/onboarding/integration is actually better remotely. When we are onsite, we discuss stuff, we discuss about previsou jobs and work a bit, but we cannot isolate, the open space is loud and it's tiring tbh. Remotely, i ask "hey, i'm doing task #WXY-99 on project A, who can explain the stuff to me", and i have a two-hour mentorship on the project specifics. And sometimes more. I was taught a lot of stuff. But the management is the best management i had in my life (Ie very hands-off, but with strict work procedure i had to learn the first day), and they discovered the way to make me twice as productive: 5 hours of meeting maximum every week (as i'm new, i have 3 hours on average). The rest should be work or one to one. [edit]: And we do a lot of 1:1. Lot of reviews, pair programming, mentoring, discussing new feature, designing a DB... All that stuff that i used to do in "meetings" with 10 people are done on 1:1. Its faster, its a lot less performative, thus more productive and make the interaction more "real".

imustbeevil 4y ago
> [edit]: And we do a lot of 1:1. Lot of reviews, pair programming, mentoring, discussing new feature, designing a DB... All that stuff that i used to do in "meetings" with 10 people are done on 1:1. Its faster, its a lot less performative, thus more productive and make the interaction more "real". Damn that sounds great. Where I work we have the exact opposite; two people screen sharing and troubleshooting a problem only they are working on or understand, for 30 minutes at the end of morning standup...every day.
ravagat 4y ago
Sounds like you joined a great org that matched your style, hats off to ya for finding them.