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Why don't commercial pilots report the same things? I believe they have far more time in the air. It seems very, very unlikely aliens would have any interest

Why don't commercial pilots report the same things? I believe they have far more time in the air. It seems very, very unlikely aliens would have any interest in our military capability. Even ignoring the technological implications of interstellar flight or the ability to enter our atmosphere without being detected, these objects are apparently massively more capable than any kind of vehicle we have. To them a fighter jet might as well be a Cessna. It seems very likely that fighter pilots and finely-tuned military equipment would be very eager to pick up false signals from background noise and interpret it as vehicles that stretch out understanding of physics.

sidlls 4y ago
"To them a fighter jet might as well be a Cessna." To play devil's advocate for a moment: they'd have to know the capabilities of these jets to make that determination, and observation of some sort would be required to do so. "Artifacts" (anomalous errors) appear on flight systems' sensors all the time, and atmospheric distortions can easily appear to the naked eye as flying/moving objects. I don't buy either that other countries have such advanced technology or that extraterrestrial intelligences are visiting us: the simpler explanations I noted cover more or less every published UAP we have seen.
- kcplate 4y ago
  >> To them a fighter jet might as well be a Cessna I always find it odd that we ascribe a human understanding of logic to an alien species. Seems to me we wouldn’t know jack shit about motivations, capabilities, approaches to decision making, etc…
  - Teever 4y ago
    well we make some reasonable baze line assumptions for an intelligent life form -- they have self preservation instincts and as such likely operate on some base level of game theory.
  - akomtu 4y ago
    From the descriptions, the aliens act like we would with a slightly better tech: they act like rangers in a national forest monitoring suspicious activity of smart beavers, but otherwise don't mess with the wildlife.
    - TheOtherHobbes 4y ago
      That's just the ones we can see.
      - TechBro8615 4y ago
        We call them smart beavers, but the other beavers call them conspiracy theorists.
stevenhuang 4y ago
They do, in fact all the time. You just don't hear about it because of stigma. See this NARCAP (civilian flight safety) report https://www.narcap.org/blog/narcaptr20 https://www.narcap.org/blog/narcaptr20 for a case where a FedEx flight crew documented an encounter with the commonly reported pulsating orb type anomaly. There is a video. Observed behavior: > The UAP/Light came from above and stopped/hovered near FL37, about the same altitude as the aircraft, shone a light on the 767 and briefly approached the aircraft. Then it instantly matched the speed, and heading of the aircraft and maintained a consistent separation. a. The light descended vertically, stopped abruptly, and shone a light on the 767 causing the crew to believe that there was another airliner on a collision heading with its landing lights on. b. It changed direction from vertical descent to a sudden stop/hover, to approaching the aircraft briefly, to taking the same heading and speed of the aircraft at about the same altitude and an estimated distance of 1-2k ft. c. It matched the altitude, speed, and heading of the aircraft, 575mph and at 37,000ft for over 32 minutes. d. The UAP/Light changed colors and turned away from the aircraft on a perpendicular heading, West, just inside the Mexico/US border. e. The UAP/light did not have wings or running lights. It was a new and unique observation to the experienced air crew. > It seems very, very unlikely aliens would have any interest in our military capability And in fact, apparently they do here too. It's been documented these UAPs have an interest in our nuclear capabilities. There has been many testimonies from people in the military these UAPs buzz around nuclear silos and apparently are able to disable them. See this well researched video for information on Robert Hastings https://youtu.be/l4EXL7jgqns https://youtu.be/l4EXL7jgqns
- MichaelZuo 4y ago
  I find the Alaska case to be the most interesting. As the visual report of an object was supported by detections from the Soviet facing long range radar that were state of the art at the time.
- mr_sturd 4y ago
  The pulsating in the NARCAP video looks like the camera trying and failing to find focus on anything that it's looking at. Interesting though.
krapp 4y ago
>Why don't commercial pilots report the same things? I believe they have far more time in the air. They do. Here's a Forbes article about it[0]. I'm firmly in the "it isn't aliens" camp but there are no shortage of UFO/UAP reports with multiple, credible eyewitnesses. [0]https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2021/06/26/faa-ufo-uap-sightings-pilots/?sh=95fff931a466 https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2021/06/26...
gfodor 4y ago
An autonomous monitoring system for galactic-scale existential risk bearing technologies would def have probes that monitored the technological development of remote civilizations.
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- mach1ne 4y ago
  I sometimes wonder if these galactic powers (if they exist) will prevent the creation of AGI.
  - willis936 4y ago
    If they don't then is that evidence that AGI is NBD? To be clear: I don't think this is a good line of thinking from the beginning, so I'm not surprised when the conclusions are not useful.
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    - mach1ne 4y ago
      The point isn’t to derive useful conclusions. The fact that we have no idea about the probability of the existence of extraterrestial intelligence seems to make it inherently impossible to derive any conclusions from a formula where they play a vital part.
      - gfodor 4y ago
        Correct - it never ceases to amaze me the degree of certainty of many of the so called “skeptics” when it comes to questions for which we have no way to really generate meaningful priors on.
  - steve1977 4y ago
    You mean, another AGI besides them?
epistemer 4y ago
On the navy video I remember one of the guys mentioning they think it is a drone. It such hubris to believe those are alien craft and not foreign military drones. As if alien craft is the more probable explanation than another country having drones the US Navy does not.
- ikrenji 4y ago
  you seriously claim this after we all witnessed russia - the supposed number 2 or 3 military power in the world loose a hundred thousand soldiers to ukraine in less than a year? the reality is that the USA has the most advanced military and no one else comes close... so yes, aliens are far more likely explanation than china having anti-gravity drones
narag 4y ago
To them a fighter jet might as well be a Cessna. Maybe not. Even when it all started, a few cases were alledgedly air combat: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantell_UFO_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantell_UFO_incident Other incidents crashes, like Roswell. Obviously I cannot vouch for any of those :-) just wanted to point that air fighters at the time were much less sophisticated than today. Maybe people that travels between stars are not so interested in bringing state-of-the-art war machines with them. The technology to maneuver a drone or vehicle at incredible speed or angles might still be vulnerable to bullets or missiles.
meindnoch 4y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Air_Lines_Cargo_Flight_1628_incident https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Air_Lines_Cargo_Flight...

sidlls 4y ago

"To them a fighter jet might as well be a Cessna." To play devil's advocate for a moment: they'd have to know the capabilities of these jets to make that determination, and observation of some sort would be required to do so. "Artifacts" (anomalous errors) appear on flight systems' sensors all the time, and atmospheric distortions can easily appear to the naked eye as flying/moving objects. I don't buy either that other countries have such advanced technology or that extraterrestrial intelligences are visiting us: the simpler explanations I noted cover more or less every published UAP we have seen.

kcplate 4y ago
>> To them a fighter jet might as well be a Cessna I always find it odd that we ascribe a human understanding of logic to an alien species. Seems to me we wouldn’t know jack shit about motivations, capabilities, approaches to decision making, etc…
- Teever 4y ago
  well we make some reasonable baze line assumptions for an intelligent life form -- they have self preservation instincts and as such likely operate on some base level of game theory.
- akomtu 4y ago
  From the descriptions, the aliens act like we would with a slightly better tech: they act like rangers in a national forest monitoring suspicious activity of smart beavers, but otherwise don't mess with the wildlife.
  - TheOtherHobbes 4y ago
    That's just the ones we can see.
    - TechBro8615 4y ago
      We call them smart beavers, but the other beavers call them conspiracy theorists.

stevenhuang 4y ago

They do, in fact all the time. You just don't hear about it because of stigma. See this NARCAP (civilian flight safety) report https://www.narcap.org/blog/narcaptr20 https://www.narcap.org/blog/narcaptr20 for a case where a FedEx flight crew documented an encounter with the commonly reported pulsating orb type anomaly. There is a video. Observed behavior: > The UAP/Light came from above and stopped/hovered near FL37, about the same altitude as the aircraft, shone a light on the 767 and briefly approached the aircraft. Then it instantly matched the speed, and heading of the aircraft and maintained a consistent separation. a. The light descended vertically, stopped abruptly, and shone a light on the 767 causing the crew to believe that there was another airliner on a collision heading with its landing lights on. b. It changed direction from vertical descent to a sudden stop/hover, to approaching the aircraft briefly, to taking the same heading and speed of the aircraft at about the same altitude and an estimated distance of 1-2k ft. c. It matched the altitude, speed, and heading of the aircraft, 575mph and at 37,000ft for over 32 minutes. d. The UAP/Light changed colors and turned away from the aircraft on a perpendicular heading, West, just inside the Mexico/US border. e. The UAP/light did not have wings or running lights. It was a new and unique observation to the experienced air crew. > It seems very, very unlikely aliens would have any interest in our military capability And in fact, apparently they do here too. It's been documented these UAPs have an interest in our nuclear capabilities. There has been many testimonies from people in the military these UAPs buzz around nuclear silos and apparently are able to disable them. See this well researched video for information on Robert Hastings https://youtu.be/l4EXL7jgqns https://youtu.be/l4EXL7jgqns

MichaelZuo 4y ago
I find the Alaska case to be the most interesting. As the visual report of an object was supported by detections from the Soviet facing long range radar that were state of the art at the time.
mr_sturd 4y ago
The pulsating in the NARCAP video looks like the camera trying and failing to find focus on anything that it's looking at. Interesting though.

krapp 4y ago

>Why don't commercial pilots report the same things? I believe they have far more time in the air. They do. Here's a Forbes article about it[0]. I'm firmly in the "it isn't aliens" camp but there are no shortage of UFO/UAP reports with multiple, credible eyewitnesses. [0]https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2021/06/26/faa-ufo-uap-sightings-pilots/?sh=95fff931a466 https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2021/06/26...

gfodor 4y ago

An autonomous monitoring system for galactic-scale existential risk bearing technologies would def have probes that monitored the technological development of remote civilizations.

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mach1ne 4y ago
I sometimes wonder if these galactic powers (if they exist) will prevent the creation of AGI.
- willis936 4y ago
  If they don't then is that evidence that AGI is NBD? To be clear: I don't think this is a good line of thinking from the beginning, so I'm not surprised when the conclusions are not useful.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - mach1ne 4y ago
    The point isn’t to derive useful conclusions. The fact that we have no idea about the probability of the existence of extraterrestial intelligence seems to make it inherently impossible to derive any conclusions from a formula where they play a vital part.
    - gfodor 4y ago
      Correct - it never ceases to amaze me the degree of certainty of many of the so called “skeptics” when it comes to questions for which we have no way to really generate meaningful priors on.
- steve1977 4y ago
  You mean, another AGI besides them?

epistemer 4y ago

On the navy video I remember one of the guys mentioning they think it is a drone. It such hubris to believe those are alien craft and not foreign military drones. As if alien craft is the more probable explanation than another country having drones the US Navy does not.

ikrenji 4y ago
you seriously claim this after we all witnessed russia - the supposed number 2 or 3 military power in the world loose a hundred thousand soldiers to ukraine in less than a year? the reality is that the USA has the most advanced military and no one else comes close... so yes, aliens are far more likely explanation than china having anti-gravity drones

narag 4y ago

To them a fighter jet might as well be a Cessna. Maybe not. Even when it all started, a few cases were alledgedly air combat: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantell_UFO_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantell_UFO_incident Other incidents crashes, like Roswell. Obviously I cannot vouch for any of those :-) just wanted to point that air fighters at the time were much less sophisticated than today. Maybe people that travels between stars are not so interested in bringing state-of-the-art war machines with them. The technology to maneuver a drone or vehicle at incredible speed or angles might still be vulnerable to bullets or missiles.

meindnoch 4y ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Air_Lines_Cargo_Flight_1628_incident https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Air_Lines_Cargo_Flight...