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All true. HN people see politics behind everything these days, which is sad, because in this instance the business reasons are so obvious that it makes these c

All true. HN people see politics behind everything these days, which is sad, because in this instance the business reasons are so obvious that it makes these comments sound like 4chan rants. ChatGPT is slowing down at its current scale. The scale on day one for Google or Apple will be elephantine compared to the scale at ChatGPT right now. Someone has to engineer a credible solution to those issues. Then there's legal. And don't even get me started on UX and monetization. For Google, there has to be some way to monetize this before you butcher your market. And believe me, Google has a lot of very smart people searching for a monetization model. It really is just not as easy as people are making it out to be. Ex: "Sure, I can answer that question! [But first, were you aware that 9 out of 10 americans surveyed prefer Fruit of the Loom brand underwear? We weren't! That's why we sent our designers undercover in public restrooms to yada yada yada for 4 more sentences. Click here to learn more!] Now, on the question of sigmoid vs relu, [Remember to watch Last of Us! Now streaming on HBO Max! blah blah blah] in most back propaga.... <User opens new tab to ChatGPT or Siri+>

tlogan 4y ago
> And believe me, Google has a lot > of very smart people searching > for a monetization model Nope. The entire hiring system was not to hire people like that. They need some “street smarts” / “cowboys” - but these people did not pass Google interviews. Or they were not able to prosper at Google.
- Sai_ 4y ago
  With no actual experience of having worked at Google, this is exactly my sense. They hire tons of engineering and other talent but not enough people who can figure out how to build something the market wants. Or even if such people are hired, they aren’t empowered to the extent that they can impact the company. It’s an engineers playground and it shows.
amelius 4y ago
Online advertising in its current form will die, because it will be easier to detect an ad than it is to hide it.
- jmathai 4y ago
  And what non ad based solution will people use once they detect ads?
  - rsfern 4y ago
    They’ll just use Google’s (or whoever’s) chatbot, but pipe it through another LLM that detects and removes ads, or highlights product placement or something

tlogan 4y ago

> And believe me, Google has a lot > of very smart people searching > for a monetization model Nope. The entire hiring system was not to hire people like that. They need some “street smarts” / “cowboys” - but these people did not pass Google interviews. Or they were not able to prosper at Google.

Sai_ 4y ago
With no actual experience of having worked at Google, this is exactly my sense. They hire tons of engineering and other talent but not enough people who can figure out how to build something the market wants. Or even if such people are hired, they aren’t empowered to the extent that they can impact the company. It’s an engineers playground and it shows.

amelius 4y ago

Online advertising in its current form will die, because it will be easier to detect an ad than it is to hide it.

jmathai 4y ago
And what non ad based solution will people use once they detect ads?
- rsfern 4y ago
  They’ll just use Google’s (or whoever’s) chatbot, but pipe it through another LLM that detects and removes ads, or highlights product placement or something