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> they also gain the ability to more precisely track the ticket’s usage across the network and minimise fraud. Except mobile tickets make fraud trivial - getti

> they also gain the ability to more precisely track the ticket’s usage across the network and minimise fraud. Except mobile tickets make fraud trivial - getting off the train without a ticket, at a station with a ticket barrier? Just show them your powered off phone and say 'my phone died' and they'll let you out, no questions asked.

Shaanie 4y ago
Sure, but presumably because it's not worth the effort to verify rather than an inability to do so, no? If their priorities change, claiming your phone is out of battery seems unlikely to allow you to avoid a fine.
- nly 4y ago
  Exactly. It's not like with paper tickets it was any different. If you lost your paper ticket they would either shrug and let you out, or fine you on the spot and let you cancel the fine if you can find and produce the lost ticket later. Of course, I suppose in 2023 you can always say you have no way to pay the fine without your phone...
lozenge 4y ago
Do that five days a week and they will start recognising you!
nprateem 4y ago
It's your responsibility to produce a ticket. Claiming your dog ate it or whatever will just mean they make you buy a new ticket and apply for a refund if you find your original again. They've heard these things before.
- michaelt 4y ago
  So you say - but I've repeatedly seen people allowed to exit through the ticket barriers at my local train station with nothing but a powered off phone as a 'ticket'
  - ghaff 4y ago
    And arguably that's a reasonable response from a policy perspective so long as a small minority of people are actively grifting.
  - urbandw311er 4y ago
    Sure, there exists an element of discretion, but it’s not an official exemption so the parent comment still stands correct.
odiroot 4y ago
That won't work with the controllers inside the train.
astrange 4y ago
NFC works on phones even if the battery is dead, as long as it's set as an express card. (Doesn't work if it's /really/ dead, but just hit 0% that day is fine.)

Shaanie 4y ago

Sure, but presumably because it's not worth the effort to verify rather than an inability to do so, no? If their priorities change, claiming your phone is out of battery seems unlikely to allow you to avoid a fine.

nly 4y ago
Exactly. It's not like with paper tickets it was any different. If you lost your paper ticket they would either shrug and let you out, or fine you on the spot and let you cancel the fine if you can find and produce the lost ticket later. Of course, I suppose in 2023 you can always say you have no way to pay the fine without your phone...

lozenge 4y ago

Do that five days a week and they will start recognising you!

nprateem 4y ago

It's your responsibility to produce a ticket. Claiming your dog ate it or whatever will just mean they make you buy a new ticket and apply for a refund if you find your original again. They've heard these things before.

michaelt 4y ago
So you say - but I've repeatedly seen people allowed to exit through the ticket barriers at my local train station with nothing but a powered off phone as a 'ticket'
- ghaff 4y ago
  And arguably that's a reasonable response from a policy perspective so long as a small minority of people are actively grifting.
- urbandw311er 4y ago
  Sure, there exists an element of discretion, but it’s not an official exemption so the parent comment still stands correct.

odiroot 4y ago

That won't work with the controllers inside the train.

astrange 4y ago

NFC works on phones even if the battery is dead, as long as it's set as an express card. (Doesn't work if it's /really/ dead, but just hit 0% that day is fine.)