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Crypto meaning cryptography yes it's needed. If you a referencing bitcoin like technology used for money no they don't help here. Please enough with this "crypt

Crypto meaning cryptography yes it's needed. If you a referencing bitcoin like technology used for money no they don't help here. Please enough with this "crypto" ignorance

lazzlazzlazz 4y ago
How do you guarantee data availability and avoid double spending without Byzantine fault tolerant consensus (that is, blockchain crypto)? If you have an answer you will be onto something huge.
- anonkogudhyfhhf 4y ago
  What? Double spend a twitter message you sign? Please example your logic here and use of the technology
hem777 4y ago
Think of cryptos more like “incentives to rational behavior” than “money” and it starts to make sense. You can incentivize, for example, data availability with cryptos and that opens the design space for distributed systems that don’t need to be controlled by one entity (like Twitter, for example).
- anonkogudhyfhhf 4y ago
  Nostr already has bitcoin payments for incentives. Please example one concrete example where a blockchain is needed for nostr protocol itself
  - hem777 4y ago
    Does it? If so, what do the bitcoin payments incentivize?
  - legutierr 4y ago
    There are two places where a blockchain would be very useful in this context: guaranteeing completeness (allowing you to confirm whether or not you have downloaded all the posts ever created by a user), and preventing timestamp forgery.
    - leesalminen 4y ago
      > guaranteeing completeness SSB has something like this but it requires a user to download another user’s entire post history before being able to see one post. Makes the experience very slow.
    - anonkogudhyfhhf 4y ago
      You wouldn't want text messages on a none scalable blockchain. Timestamping is already possible using the bitcoin blockchain. No token scam or new blockchain needed
      - erulabs 4y ago
        You sort of moved the goal posts here from "no crypto" to "doesn't need something other than bitcoin"...
        anonkogudhyfhhf 4y ago
        Crypto movement does not relate to bitcoin. Bitcoin was about preventing money printing and crypto is about every VC having his own private money system he sells token of I didn't say decentralised timestamping is required for a social network or any blockchain needed
  - antisocialist 4y ago
    That is a laughable claim. What happens if no one pays?

Crypto meaning cryptography yes it's needed. If you a referencing bitcoin like technology used for money no they don't help here. Please enough with this "crypto" ignorance

lazzlazzlazz 4y ago

How do you guarantee data availability and avoid double spending without Byzantine fault tolerant consensus (that is, blockchain crypto)? If you have an answer you will be onto something huge.

anonkogudhyfhhf 4y ago
What? Double spend a twitter message you sign? Please example your logic here and use of the technology

hem777 4y ago

Think of cryptos more like “incentives to rational behavior” than “money” and it starts to make sense. You can incentivize, for example, data availability with cryptos and that opens the design space for distributed systems that don’t need to be controlled by one entity (like Twitter, for example).

anonkogudhyfhhf 4y ago
Nostr already has bitcoin payments for incentives. Please example one concrete example where a blockchain is needed for nostr protocol itself
- hem777 4y ago
  Does it? If so, what do the bitcoin payments incentivize?
- legutierr 4y ago
  There are two places where a blockchain would be very useful in this context: guaranteeing completeness (allowing you to confirm whether or not you have downloaded all the posts ever created by a user), and preventing timestamp forgery.
  - leesalminen 4y ago
    > guaranteeing completeness SSB has something like this but it requires a user to download another user’s entire post history before being able to see one post. Makes the experience very slow.
  - anonkogudhyfhhf 4y ago
    You wouldn't want text messages on a none scalable blockchain. Timestamping is already possible using the bitcoin blockchain. No token scam or new blockchain needed
    - erulabs 4y ago
      You sort of moved the goal posts here from "no crypto" to "doesn't need something other than bitcoin"...
      - anonkogudhyfhhf 4y ago
        Crypto movement does not relate to bitcoin. Bitcoin was about preventing money printing and crypto is about every VC having his own private money system he sells token of I didn't say decentralised timestamping is required for a social network or any blockchain needed
- antisocialist 4y ago
  That is a laughable claim. What happens if no one pays?