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Not 11 but the "Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021" is significantly better if you want an (official) full fledged Windows OS without the bloat. I'm using that

Not 11 but the "Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021" is significantly better if you want an (official) full fledged Windows OS without the bloat. I'm using that on the Steam Deck w/ dual booting and it's perfect

Wowfunhappy 4y ago
What is the difference between IoT and normal LTSC?
- haunter 4y ago
  Here is a handy reddit post when I was researching the same https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10LTSC/comments/qw1qrs/ltsc_2021_vs_iot_ltsc_2021_tips_on_installations/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10LTSC/comments/qw1qrs/ltsc_... The main difference that IoT has longer lifecycle support, the activation method is different (but you don't even have to), and the IoT version is only available in english But it doesn't really matter they are virtually the same
  - avinassh 4y ago
    wait, can I use this as a daily driver on a laptop?
    - haunter 4y ago
      I use it to play games! It's totally perfect as a daily driver
    - smileybarry 4y ago
      You can try but it probably depends on the laptop and how messy your OEM's drivers are. (they might require/depend on some component carved out of the IoT editions)
wkat4242 4y ago
LTSC is no longer debloated. The latest version comes with the same crapware, Windows app store, "recommended" Microsoft account, telemetry that can't be turned off etc. It's just a stable version frozen in time but heralding it as the bloat-free alternative is no longer true. I have access to it through work and I gave it a spin recently but it's no longer what it used to be.
- haunter 4y ago
  >LTSC is no longer debloated. The latest version Which one? Or I guess it's not a public release? I have installed IoT 2021 (Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 Version 21H2) like 3 weeks ago there was nothing, no App Store, less telemetry (there is some but significantly less than on the "normal" Windows versions, but I reinstalled the App Store so maybe because of that) *Edited the wording It looks like this as a fresh install https://ia904606.us.archive.org/11/items/en-us_windows_10_iot_enterprise_ltsc_2021_x64_dvd_257ad90f_20211210/LTSC.png https://ia904606.us.archive.org/11/items/en-us_windows_10_io...
  - at_a_remove 4y ago
    This seems magically good. Now, of course, the struggle is to see how I can get the ISO and get it activated. I'm woefully out of the loop.
    - haunter 4y ago
      As pretty much with a lot of things nowadays Archive.org is your friend https://archive.org/details/en-us_windows_10_iot_enterprise_ltsc_2021_x64_dvd_257ad90f_20211210 https://archive.org/details/en-us_windows_10_iot_enterprise_...
      - at_a_remove 4y ago
        Thank you! I'm also a little shocked, I had no idea Archive.org was doing this. I'm starting to get the impression that there's quite a lot going on under the hood at archive.org, just reams of stuff I've never noticed ...
qwezxcrty 4y ago
How you activate that? I think KMS will not work for IoT versions. I use KMS activated non-IoT LTSC 2021 on my obsolete Surface. MS will not sell that edition to "consumers" like me, so I don't feel guilty at all for pirating it.
- haunter 4y ago
  MAS should work https://massgrave.dev/ https://massgrave.dev/
- npteljes 4y ago
  Windows activation is a simple thing. You need a KMS emulator, and you need to point your Windows to that. If you don't want to set up your own emulator, you can just search the internet for emulators, and point your Windows to one of those. This is what most activators do anyways. But running your own is also easy, if compiling and running a software is easy for you. I personally use vlmcsd.
  - qwezxcrty 4y ago
    I'm fully aware of the KMS stuff and how it works. But there are windows editions that are not licensed by and cannot be activated with KMS. I don't think there is any public way of pirating them apart from finding a working MAK key. No one seems to have digged into the SPPSvc and the internal working of Product Policy. (If you find something interesting that I missed, please let me know) Unlike usual Enterprise editions, I don't think IoT Enterprise SKU will work with KMS. The only possible activation option seems to be with a PKEA key. For a machine that never sees the internet, the IoT version runs in Deferred Activation state. So it is useful if it's for a intranet machine that never see the outside.
    - npteljes 4y ago
      I just realized that you asked to activate a specifically non-kms version. Sorry, must have been tired.
BirAdam 4y ago
Just learned about this. I wish I could get some ameliorated.info scripts for that build. I might be willing to try Winders again in that case. There are some older win32 applications that I miss. I just use Intel’s Clear Linux so… meh.
DavideNL 4y ago
> "Not 11 but the "Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021" is significantly better" What about Windows 11, does something like "Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC" exist also? Would that be equally good/debloated ? Thank you for the tip btw!

Wowfunhappy 4y ago

What is the difference between IoT and normal LTSC?

haunter 4y ago
Here is a handy reddit post when I was researching the same https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10LTSC/comments/qw1qrs/ltsc_2021_vs_iot_ltsc_2021_tips_on_installations/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10LTSC/comments/qw1qrs/ltsc_... The main difference that IoT has longer lifecycle support, the activation method is different (but you don't even have to), and the IoT version is only available in english But it doesn't really matter they are virtually the same
- avinassh 4y ago
  wait, can I use this as a daily driver on a laptop?
  - haunter 4y ago
    I use it to play games! It's totally perfect as a daily driver
  - smileybarry 4y ago
    You can try but it probably depends on the laptop and how messy your OEM's drivers are. (they might require/depend on some component carved out of the IoT editions)

wkat4242 4y ago

LTSC is no longer debloated. The latest version comes with the same crapware, Windows app store, "recommended" Microsoft account, telemetry that can't be turned off etc. It's just a stable version frozen in time but heralding it as the bloat-free alternative is no longer true. I have access to it through work and I gave it a spin recently but it's no longer what it used to be.

haunter 4y ago
>LTSC is no longer debloated. The latest version Which one? Or I guess it's not a public release? I have installed IoT 2021 (Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 Version 21H2) like 3 weeks ago there was nothing, no App Store, less telemetry (there is some but significantly less than on the "normal" Windows versions, but I reinstalled the App Store so maybe because of that) *Edited the wording It looks like this as a fresh install https://ia904606.us.archive.org/11/items/en-us_windows_10_iot_enterprise_ltsc_2021_x64_dvd_257ad90f_20211210/LTSC.png https://ia904606.us.archive.org/11/items/en-us_windows_10_io...
- at_a_remove 4y ago
  This seems magically good. Now, of course, the struggle is to see how I can get the ISO and get it activated. I'm woefully out of the loop.
  - haunter 4y ago
    As pretty much with a lot of things nowadays Archive.org is your friend https://archive.org/details/en-us_windows_10_iot_enterprise_ltsc_2021_x64_dvd_257ad90f_20211210 https://archive.org/details/en-us_windows_10_iot_enterprise_...
    - at_a_remove 4y ago
      Thank you! I'm also a little shocked, I had no idea Archive.org was doing this. I'm starting to get the impression that there's quite a lot going on under the hood at archive.org, just reams of stuff I've never noticed ...

qwezxcrty 4y ago

How you activate that? I think KMS will not work for IoT versions. I use KMS activated non-IoT LTSC 2021 on my obsolete Surface. MS will not sell that edition to "consumers" like me, so I don't feel guilty at all for pirating it.

haunter 4y ago
MAS should work https://massgrave.dev/ https://massgrave.dev/
npteljes 4y ago
Windows activation is a simple thing. You need a KMS emulator, and you need to point your Windows to that. If you don't want to set up your own emulator, you can just search the internet for emulators, and point your Windows to one of those. This is what most activators do anyways. But running your own is also easy, if compiling and running a software is easy for you. I personally use vlmcsd.
- qwezxcrty 4y ago
  I'm fully aware of the KMS stuff and how it works. But there are windows editions that are not licensed by and cannot be activated with KMS. I don't think there is any public way of pirating them apart from finding a working MAK key. No one seems to have digged into the SPPSvc and the internal working of Product Policy. (If you find something interesting that I missed, please let me know) Unlike usual Enterprise editions, I don't think IoT Enterprise SKU will work with KMS. The only possible activation option seems to be with a PKEA key. For a machine that never sees the internet, the IoT version runs in Deferred Activation state. So it is useful if it's for a intranet machine that never see the outside.
  - npteljes 4y ago
    I just realized that you asked to activate a specifically non-kms version. Sorry, must have been tired.

BirAdam 4y ago

Just learned about this. I wish I could get some ameliorated.info scripts for that build. I might be willing to try Winders again in that case. There are some older win32 applications that I miss. I just use Intel’s Clear Linux so… meh.

DavideNL 4y ago

> "Not 11 but the "Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021" is significantly better" What about Windows 11, does something like "Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC" exist also? Would that be equally good/debloated ? Thank you for the tip btw!