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I’m also horrified by the responses of parents here who are lax with YouTube, even to a slight degree. It’s like they feel that they are morally bound to find a

I’m also horrified by the responses of parents here who are lax with YouTube, even to a slight degree. It’s like they feel that they are morally bound to find a middle-ground stance despite not having a good mechanistic explanation for why YT is OK even at small dosages, given how it has already radicalized people and impacted the global political order on the basis of fake news? Why isn’t the concern far more sweeping? Like, what harm can erring on the side of caution actually do and not letting your kids access YT before their cognitive development has progressed far enough so that they have self-control and have explored their own interests without the interference of internet culture?

watwut 4y ago
> why YT is OK even at small dosages, given how it has already radicalized people and impacted the global political order on the basis of fake news? Why isn’t the concern far more sweeping? That concern comes in during puberty and above, not when the kids are small. When they are 16-23, not when they are 1-9 years old. You have significantly less control at that time and crucially, should be transitioning to loosing control. They are getting ready for independent living or college.
- rTX5CMRXIfFG 4y ago
  Can you explain how you are sure that the concern is limited to the age range that you specified? You make it sound like there’s just one way that kids can grow. It’s completely possible for kids to gain access to bad internet stuff at a far younger age and they could carry it with them for a long time.
  - simiones 4y ago
    You think 3-6 yo kids can get radicalized by YT fake news?
  - a4a4a4a4 4y ago
    You will never be _sure_ that it's limited to that age range, because what's appropriate for a given age is pretty subjective. I don't know why people are obsessed with making perfectly isolated bubbles for kids, it's just not possible.
    - rTX5CMRXIfFG 4y ago
      Because internet consumption has addictive properties that can negatively impact the cognitive development of a child regardless of age range? Gosh, I feel so irresponsible for intervening with the kind of information that children consume. Perhaps it’s better I expose them to alcohol and drugs sooner than later!
      - spicymapotofu 4y ago
        Inoculation against the downsides of socmed is impossible without exposure. Given that we discuss this on socmed, it would be purely hypocritical to argue here that any access is giving in to addiction - unless you believe us no better than meth addicts fighting in the street?
      - watwut 4y ago
        You literally talk about "radicalized people and impacted the global political order". I dont worry 4 years old will do any of that.
rich_sasha 4y ago
My kids watch a bit of YT kids. I used to be dead against it. Two things happened: - One, my attention and energy is in fact finite. Perhaps I could work less, earn less, have more energy to give to them, but I just can't. - There is a lot of good stuff there, and I see positive aspects of it on my kids. They learn songs. One of my daughters knew the alphabet by the age of 2, the other could count to 20. The oldest one comes up with so many nuggets of information: how volcanoes work, where the Eiffel Tower is, and so on. I also find the bad stuff on YT kids is fairly rare, and easy to ban. In moderation I really think it's fine, and arguably even beneficial. Like most diverse experiences of life.
- rTX5CMRXIfFG 4y ago
  But why is YT necessary? Couldn’t you have given your kids access to a more curated and education-dedicated video platform instead? Heck, even Disney+ sounds better here.
  - shawabawa3 4y ago
    > despite not having a good mechanistic explanation for why YT is OK even at small dosages Do you have an explanation for YT is NOT ok even at small dosages?
    - rTX5CMRXIfFG 4y ago
      Did we miss out on all of the HN articles and studies about how socmed consumption negatively impacts people’s levels of happiness, self-esteem, and ability to focus, and have we no experience of it?
      - watwut 4y ago
        The actual studies are way more nuanced then that. It is actually funny to compare what actual studies, whether sociological or psychological say and what gets written on HN.
      - TeMPOraL 4y ago
ChewFarceSkunk 4y ago
It seems like YT's horde of psychiatrists has tapped into parents' minds as well, so they are programmed into believing they can't downshift in any aspect of their lives and won't sacrifice shit to actually pay attention to their very own children, because: work, money, stress, no time, no energy. Better let YouTube take care of them. Society is fucked.
- spicymapotofu 4y ago
  This comment is the kind of doomposting I use HN to avoid. If you seriously think this, I believe you ought to reread the comment guidelines and refrain from sharing this belief in the future.
  - ChewFarceSkunk 4y ago
    I believe if your rainbow bubble is strong enough, you don't have to react to any doomposts out there, because everything's good in the world and nothing can shatter your mindset. Besides: refrain from sharing this belief in the future? Are you from the belief police or something?
aantix 4y ago
YT, like the real world has the same malicious components. Newspaper, TV, dipshit relatives. If there's a questionable video being watched, you ask questions, walk them through it, ask them their thoughts "does this seem to make logical sense?", and guide them through it.

watwut 4y ago

> why YT is OK even at small dosages, given how it has already radicalized people and impacted the global political order on the basis of fake news? Why isn’t the concern far more sweeping? That concern comes in during puberty and above, not when the kids are small. When they are 16-23, not when they are 1-9 years old. You have significantly less control at that time and crucially, should be transitioning to loosing control. They are getting ready for independent living or college.

rTX5CMRXIfFG 4y ago
Can you explain how you are sure that the concern is limited to the age range that you specified? You make it sound like there’s just one way that kids can grow. It’s completely possible for kids to gain access to bad internet stuff at a far younger age and they could carry it with them for a long time.
- simiones 4y ago
  You think 3-6 yo kids can get radicalized by YT fake news?
- a4a4a4a4 4y ago
  You will never be _sure_ that it's limited to that age range, because what's appropriate for a given age is pretty subjective. I don't know why people are obsessed with making perfectly isolated bubbles for kids, it's just not possible.
  - rTX5CMRXIfFG 4y ago
    Because internet consumption has addictive properties that can negatively impact the cognitive development of a child regardless of age range? Gosh, I feel so irresponsible for intervening with the kind of information that children consume. Perhaps it’s better I expose them to alcohol and drugs sooner than later!
    - spicymapotofu 4y ago
      Inoculation against the downsides of socmed is impossible without exposure. Given that we discuss this on socmed, it would be purely hypocritical to argue here that any access is giving in to addiction - unless you believe us no better than meth addicts fighting in the street?
    - watwut 4y ago
      You literally talk about "radicalized people and impacted the global political order". I dont worry 4 years old will do any of that.

rich_sasha 4y ago

My kids watch a bit of YT kids. I used to be dead against it. Two things happened: - One, my attention and energy is in fact finite. Perhaps I could work less, earn less, have more energy to give to them, but I just can't. - There is a lot of good stuff there, and I see positive aspects of it on my kids. They learn songs. One of my daughters knew the alphabet by the age of 2, the other could count to 20. The oldest one comes up with so many nuggets of information: how volcanoes work, where the Eiffel Tower is, and so on. I also find the bad stuff on YT kids is fairly rare, and easy to ban. In moderation I really think it's fine, and arguably even beneficial. Like most diverse experiences of life.

rTX5CMRXIfFG 4y ago
But why is YT necessary? Couldn’t you have given your kids access to a more curated and education-dedicated video platform instead? Heck, even Disney+ sounds better here.
- shawabawa3 4y ago
  > despite not having a good mechanistic explanation for why YT is OK even at small dosages Do you have an explanation for YT is NOT ok even at small dosages?
  - rTX5CMRXIfFG 4y ago
    Did we miss out on all of the HN articles and studies about how socmed consumption negatively impacts people’s levels of happiness, self-esteem, and ability to focus, and have we no experience of it?
    - watwut 4y ago
      The actual studies are way more nuanced then that. It is actually funny to compare what actual studies, whether sociological or psychological say and what gets written on HN.
    - TeMPOraL 4y ago

ChewFarceSkunk 4y ago

It seems like YT's horde of psychiatrists has tapped into parents' minds as well, so they are programmed into believing they can't downshift in any aspect of their lives and won't sacrifice shit to actually pay attention to their very own children, because: work, money, stress, no time, no energy. Better let YouTube take care of them. Society is fucked.

spicymapotofu 4y ago
This comment is the kind of doomposting I use HN to avoid. If you seriously think this, I believe you ought to reread the comment guidelines and refrain from sharing this belief in the future.
- ChewFarceSkunk 4y ago
  I believe if your rainbow bubble is strong enough, you don't have to react to any doomposts out there, because everything's good in the world and nothing can shatter your mindset. Besides: refrain from sharing this belief in the future? Are you from the belief police or something?

aantix 4y ago

YT, like the real world has the same malicious components. Newspaper, TV, dipshit relatives. If there's a questionable video being watched, you ask questions, walk them through it, ask them their thoughts "does this seem to make logical sense?", and guide them through it.