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I’m just glad there’s finally enough competition to bring down prices in EVs. If Chevy hits its price target next year for the Equinox I think everyone will sta

I’m just glad there’s finally enough competition to bring down prices in EVs. If Chevy hits its price target next year for the Equinox I think everyone will start buying them. I sure will.

tadfisher 4y ago
Just sell me a Miata with 100 miles of range and no weight penalty. I don't want a boat on hard tires; I want something nimble and engaging to, you know, drive. I'll even give up my manual transmission for it.
- freediver 4y ago
  Part of the Miata's driving experience has to be the sound of engine reving as you exit the curve.
  - emodendroket 4y ago
    That's OK, engine noise is enhanced with speakers these days.
    - mc32 4y ago
      That's... so... saccharine! If it's going to be a crass fake illusion, why even bother?
      - emodendroket 4y ago
        I don't know... the same reason they dye orange peels I guess.
    - envoked 4y ago
      Blasphemy
- wingineer 4y ago
  Sounds like you’re in the market for the EV mini.
- longitudinal93 4y ago
  You should take a BMW i3S for a spin. So much fun to drive.
- shortcake27 4y ago
  I guess manufacturers went crazy on range because range anxiety was a legitimate blocker for many people. It's so wasteful. Hopefully as charging networks and charging speeds improve, manufacturers start to release smaller vehicles with lower capacities.
DoesntMatter22 4y ago
Chevy needs to get their battery fire issues under control. They've had so many recalls and disasters I doubt anyone is going to rush to buy a Chevy ev
- MrMan 4y ago
  that is not chevy's problem its LG
  - DoesntMatter22 4y ago
    Not their problem... They are just paying for it and suffering with the bad rep... Not their problem tho
- nxm 4y ago
  Blame LG for that more than Chevy
  - TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
    Irrelevant. When MS Windows will get BSOD, nobody is going to blame company which wrote crappy device driver writing into protected kernel memory. Microsoft will get the blame.
    - seanmcdirmid 4y ago
      If you are technical, you will blame and upgrade or remove the bad driver. If you aren’t technical, your technical friend will just tell you to get a Mac.
  - emodendroket 4y ago
    Does it matter which party is to blame?
    - Tostino 4y ago
      When talking about future fuckups, yeah it kinda does...
ramesh31 4y ago
Spoilers: they won't. Nobody can build enough batteries to meet demand. The capacity still just isn't there. Which means those teaser "esitmated starting around" MSRPs will never be the price someone ends up paying at a dealer for the forseeable future.
- amalgamated_inc 4y ago
  Also known as the "F150 Lightning starting at $39,900" phenomenon lol You can't get them below $70k
  - treeman79 4y ago
    It also can’t haul on flat ground without losing half its range. https://electrek.co/2022/05/31/ford-f-150-lightning-loses-range-towing-23-foot-airstream-trailer/ https://electrek.co/2022/05/31/ford-f-150-lightning-loses-ra...
    - LinuxBender 4y ago
      And they weigh about 1500 lbs more than the ICE version. This matters if they plan to make bigger versions like F450/550/650. Ranchers already come close to weight limits. Lost range and added weight are a big problem. Maybe some future 3D printed solid state battery will help a little?
      - amalgamated_inc 4y ago
        Yes to all of the above. I like EVs and am kind of a nerd about them, but realistically it doesn't help the adoption of a technology to push it before it's ready. We just don't have the manufacturing capacity for batteries, they're still quite expensive and finicky (try charging your EV in sub-zero temperatures) and heavy (so no gross capacity limited vehicles like F350 and no sports cars). It's just like with wind and solar. Why can't we just be honest about what these are good at, use them appropriately, and let the tech develop and improve organically?
amalgamated_inc 4y ago
What's the price target?
- idontwantthis 4y ago
  $30k base, but the base is a solid car with 250mi range that lots of people could be happy with.
  - nekoashide 4y ago
    I have been waiting for a 3 row, 300mi range and under 40k vehicle. That's how I replace my minivan.
    - amalgamated_inc 4y ago
      I suspect if Chevy does the Equinox, they're gonna do the Traverse and other vehicles soon after.
  - nebula8804 4y ago
    Is there any indication they aren't just going to deliver like 3 units or delay the base model until who knows when?
  - amalgamated_inc 4y ago
    Yea the Equinox (only driven the ICE as a rental) is a decent car that 80% of people would be happy with. $30k for that would indeed be a very good bargain, and quite a bit cheaper than most EVs. I think most comparable EVs are quite a bit more pricey - ID.4 at $40k base, Mach-E at $45k. And especially, it'd only be a $3k premium over the base ICE model. Even without subsidies, that's low enough that many people will switch.

I’m just glad there’s finally enough competition to bring down prices in EVs. If Chevy hits its price target next year for the Equinox I think everyone will start buying them. I sure will.

tadfisher 4y ago

Just sell me a Miata with 100 miles of range and no weight penalty. I don't want a boat on hard tires; I want something nimble and engaging to, you know, drive. I'll even give up my manual transmission for it.

freediver 4y ago
Part of the Miata's driving experience has to be the sound of engine reving as you exit the curve.
- emodendroket 4y ago
  That's OK, engine noise is enhanced with speakers these days.
  - mc32 4y ago
    That's... so... saccharine! If it's going to be a crass fake illusion, why even bother?
    - emodendroket 4y ago
      I don't know... the same reason they dye orange peels I guess.
  - envoked 4y ago
    Blasphemy
wingineer 4y ago
Sounds like you’re in the market for the EV mini.
longitudinal93 4y ago
You should take a BMW i3S for a spin. So much fun to drive.
shortcake27 4y ago
I guess manufacturers went crazy on range because range anxiety was a legitimate blocker for many people. It's so wasteful. Hopefully as charging networks and charging speeds improve, manufacturers start to release smaller vehicles with lower capacities.

DoesntMatter22 4y ago

Chevy needs to get their battery fire issues under control. They've had so many recalls and disasters I doubt anyone is going to rush to buy a Chevy ev

MrMan 4y ago
that is not chevy's problem its LG
- DoesntMatter22 4y ago
  Not their problem... They are just paying for it and suffering with the bad rep... Not their problem tho
nxm 4y ago
Blame LG for that more than Chevy
- TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
  Irrelevant. When MS Windows will get BSOD, nobody is going to blame company which wrote crappy device driver writing into protected kernel memory. Microsoft will get the blame.
  - seanmcdirmid 4y ago
    If you are technical, you will blame and upgrade or remove the bad driver. If you aren’t technical, your technical friend will just tell you to get a Mac.
- emodendroket 4y ago
  Does it matter which party is to blame?
  - Tostino 4y ago
    When talking about future fuckups, yeah it kinda does...

ramesh31 4y ago

Spoilers: they won't. Nobody can build enough batteries to meet demand. The capacity still just isn't there. Which means those teaser "esitmated starting around" MSRPs will never be the price someone ends up paying at a dealer for the forseeable future.

amalgamated_inc 4y ago
Also known as the "F150 Lightning starting at $39,900" phenomenon lol You can't get them below $70k
- treeman79 4y ago
  It also can’t haul on flat ground without losing half its range. https://electrek.co/2022/05/31/ford-f-150-lightning-loses-range-towing-23-foot-airstream-trailer/ https://electrek.co/2022/05/31/ford-f-150-lightning-loses-ra...
  - LinuxBender 4y ago
    And they weigh about 1500 lbs more than the ICE version. This matters if they plan to make bigger versions like F450/550/650. Ranchers already come close to weight limits. Lost range and added weight are a big problem. Maybe some future 3D printed solid state battery will help a little?
    - amalgamated_inc 4y ago
      Yes to all of the above. I like EVs and am kind of a nerd about them, but realistically it doesn't help the adoption of a technology to push it before it's ready. We just don't have the manufacturing capacity for batteries, they're still quite expensive and finicky (try charging your EV in sub-zero temperatures) and heavy (so no gross capacity limited vehicles like F350 and no sports cars). It's just like with wind and solar. Why can't we just be honest about what these are good at, use them appropriately, and let the tech develop and improve organically?

amalgamated_inc 4y ago

What's the price target?

idontwantthis 4y ago
$30k base, but the base is a solid car with 250mi range that lots of people could be happy with.
- nekoashide 4y ago
  I have been waiting for a 3 row, 300mi range and under 40k vehicle. That's how I replace my minivan.
  - amalgamated_inc 4y ago
    I suspect if Chevy does the Equinox, they're gonna do the Traverse and other vehicles soon after.
- nebula8804 4y ago
  Is there any indication they aren't just going to deliver like 3 units or delay the base model until who knows when?
- amalgamated_inc 4y ago
  Yea the Equinox (only driven the ICE as a rental) is a decent car that 80% of people would be happy with. $30k for that would indeed be a very good bargain, and quite a bit cheaper than most EVs. I think most comparable EVs are quite a bit more pricey - ID.4 at $40k base, Mach-E at $45k. And especially, it'd only be a $3k premium over the base ICE model. Even without subsidies, that's low enough that many people will switch.