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I see this take a lot and I don't get why this is different from what we have right now. > Unlimited 24/7 AI streamers on Twitch. So basically Twitch as it is

by qsort 4y ago

I see this take a lot and I don't get why this is different from what we have right now. > Unlimited 24/7 AI streamers on Twitch. So basically Twitch as it is? > Unlimited 24/7 AI TV shows and movies (RIP Netflix, Hollywood). Which is TV right now? > Unlimited AI opinions about any topics. Welcome to Twitter. You filter in the same way people always have. Studying, learning, acquiring taste.

mahathu 4y ago
> Which is TV right now? Yeah, not much a change now, but I hope demand for real TV/film will remain. Imagine they were able to shit out entirely AI generated shows and slowly phase out real media because it's just too costly. A lot of good stuff (a lot of bad stuff too, but that's beside the point) would be thrown out with the bath water imo.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > Imagine they were able to shit out entirely AI generated shows and slowly phase out real media because it's just too costly I mean, its easy to imagine, because its the same effect that drove the reality TV displacing scripted content trend.
akaike 4y ago
I think you missed the point that he/she means AI TV and AI Twitch, not Human TV and Human Twitch, or whatever you want to call it. The point is that the content will be 24/7 AI-generated
- lcampbell 4y ago
  I believe GP is referring to the multiple AI-driven vtubers on Twitch (vedal987 and motherv3 I think?). They're not yet 24/7 because they still require human supervision for reasons -- vedal987 was recently banned for holocaust denial, IIRC.
- qsort 4y ago
  I know it's not the same, but the implication is that an influx of effectively unlimited content will change the equation for consumers. I don't think it will: even in the world of human-written books, human-made TV, human-streamed Twitch, content is already effectively infinite, and already almost entirely garbage.
  - ilaksh 4y ago
    Agree that it's effectively infinite. Strong disagree that is it almost entirely garbage. That opinion is your filter system working and not an objective evaluation. For starters, you can't evaluate most of it at all because you don't have time to do any significant sampling of any significant portion of it. How many TV episodes, movies, books, YouTube videos, video games, were made in the last twenty years? Do you really think that "garbage" is an accurate description of 99% of them? I don't thinks that objective. It _might_ be fair to say that 95% are relatively poor quality or not to your taste. But "garbage"? The thing that's challenging is that to be fair to this content we have to separate our superficial judgement of its quality from our evaluation of it's relevance to us. For practical purposes, we have to find ways to dismiss almost all of it because we do not have a million years to consume content. But that doesn't mean that it's almost all bad content.
lizzardbraind 4y ago
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safety1st 4y ago
My concern after seeing the AI-generated Seinfeld knock-off that passed through HN today is that it'll be easier to train a model to generate addictive content than it is to create that content with a human. I mean the AI Seinfeld was terrible, but it's an entirely software generated "show." Someone will figure out how to feed measurements of engagement into the model, and the model will continuously "improve." The net result is it will eventually generate an infinite amount of the most addictive content ever created. And of course all this will be a profitable thing to do, because ads. The addictive trash content on the Internet is basically going to go from heroin to fentanyl.
- ragazzina 4y ago
  > an infinite amount of the most addictive content ever created or it could go in the Stable Diffusion direction, where you can just ask for whatever you'd like to see more at any given time. "Computer, please play a four episodes TV series about a cyborg chef killing aliens in space. Please add violence, drug use and a plot twist at the end".
- jstarfish 4y ago
  > The net result is it will eventually generate an infinite amount of the most addictive content ever created. I played around with the free tier of NovelAI to see what all the fuss is about, and am absolutely convinced you are on to something. Generating a story by repeatedly pushing a button and being fed different outcomes is literally slot-machine behavior.

by qsort 4y ago

mahathu 4y ago

> Which is TV right now? Yeah, not much a change now, but I hope demand for real TV/film will remain. Imagine they were able to shit out entirely AI generated shows and slowly phase out real media because it's just too costly. A lot of good stuff (a lot of bad stuff too, but that's beside the point) would be thrown out with the bath water imo.

dragonwriter 4y ago
> Imagine they were able to shit out entirely AI generated shows and slowly phase out real media because it's just too costly I mean, its easy to imagine, because its the same effect that drove the reality TV displacing scripted content trend.

akaike 4y ago

I think you missed the point that he/she means AI TV and AI Twitch, not Human TV and Human Twitch, or whatever you want to call it. The point is that the content will be 24/7 AI-generated

lcampbell 4y ago
I believe GP is referring to the multiple AI-driven vtubers on Twitch (vedal987 and motherv3 I think?). They're not yet 24/7 because they still require human supervision for reasons -- vedal987 was recently banned for holocaust denial, IIRC.
qsort 4y ago
I know it's not the same, but the implication is that an influx of effectively unlimited content will change the equation for consumers. I don't think it will: even in the world of human-written books, human-made TV, human-streamed Twitch, content is already effectively infinite, and already almost entirely garbage.
- ilaksh 4y ago
  Agree that it's effectively infinite. Strong disagree that is it almost entirely garbage. That opinion is your filter system working and not an objective evaluation. For starters, you can't evaluate most of it at all because you don't have time to do any significant sampling of any significant portion of it. How many TV episodes, movies, books, YouTube videos, video games, were made in the last twenty years? Do you really think that "garbage" is an accurate description of 99% of them? I don't thinks that objective. It _might_ be fair to say that 95% are relatively poor quality or not to your taste. But "garbage"? The thing that's challenging is that to be fair to this content we have to separate our superficial judgement of its quality from our evaluation of it's relevance to us. For practical purposes, we have to find ways to dismiss almost all of it because we do not have a million years to consume content. But that doesn't mean that it's almost all bad content.

lizzardbraind 4y ago

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safety1st 4y ago

My concern after seeing the AI-generated Seinfeld knock-off that passed through HN today is that it'll be easier to train a model to generate addictive content than it is to create that content with a human. I mean the AI Seinfeld was terrible, but it's an entirely software generated "show." Someone will figure out how to feed measurements of engagement into the model, and the model will continuously "improve." The net result is it will eventually generate an infinite amount of the most addictive content ever created. And of course all this will be a profitable thing to do, because ads. The addictive trash content on the Internet is basically going to go from heroin to fentanyl.

ragazzina 4y ago
> an infinite amount of the most addictive content ever created or it could go in the Stable Diffusion direction, where you can just ask for whatever you'd like to see more at any given time. "Computer, please play a four episodes TV series about a cyborg chef killing aliens in space. Please add violence, drug use and a plot twist at the end".
jstarfish 4y ago
> The net result is it will eventually generate an infinite amount of the most addictive content ever created. I played around with the free tier of NovelAI to see what all the fuss is about, and am absolutely convinced you are on to something. Generating a story by repeatedly pushing a button and being fed different outcomes is literally slot-machine behavior.