> if the mean on the left keeps shifting then they are by definition excluding and making enemies of people that were previously allies. Many of those are not

> if the mean on the left keeps shifting then they are by definition excluding and making enemies of people that were previously allies. Many of those are not allies and can be sabotaging the left, especially if they are vocal. > If they stopped doing that, they could actually gain influence and start effecting change on real issues. Don't kid yourself, those "real issues" would then get pushback too, and you would just have one slightly less conservative party. The demands never stop, which is a good thing, society must adapt to changes. If one side is against that, then that's also legitimate. But I don't have to regard the feelings of someone who is actively in favor of current social unfairnesses.