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I mean, I think $2100 only gets you a studio in “the city” (probably in/near tenderloin) or maybe a 1br in sunset/Richmond. Where are all the sub-$2100 places

by csa 4y ago

I mean, I think $2100 only gets you a studio in “the city” (probably in/near tenderloin) or maybe a 1br in sunset/Richmond. Where are all the sub-$2100 places that make this the average? Are they counting rented bedrooms?

szundi 4y ago
Plenty of free space under the bridges for homeless, maybe those count too
- winrid 4y ago
  In 2013 I lived in a camper in some guys back yard for 700/mo. Under the bridge must be at least 300...
vineyardmike 4y ago
A huge amount of rental stock in the city is rent-controlled (especially cheap stuff), which tend to not see heavy turnover, meaning it'll be hard for you to find one, if you're looking. Additionally, rent control limits upside for the landlord, so they tend to spend less advertising them, again, making it harder to find. So thats partially why you can't find any cheap rents despite the numbers. Source: I live in a $1800 1200sqft 2br with a garage, in Noe valley - rent controlled. Can't be evicted, can't have rent raised, can't ever afford to move.
- TechnicolorByte 4y ago
  Well this makes me feel silly for renting a private master bedroom+bath in a shared house in NoPa for $2k :) granted I love the location and convenience of it. Maybe I should start looking around for these rent controlled places…
  - vineyardmike 4y ago
    Its definitely not common to find, my apartment was sheer luck: It was going to be ~$5k, but the landlord got sued for violating rent-control, and was required to re-rent it at the "historic" price, so sheer luck on my part. Most places will be rent-controlled, if they're older buildings (so your master-bedroom situation is probably rent controlled). If the landlord can't provide an exemption certificate from the city, you can assume its rent controlled (you can also ask the city to provide the status for an address). The best way to find under-market places are to look for for-rent signs and craigslist. Think anything cheap and easy. Again, this landlord isn't making money and doesn't want to spend money. Anecdotally, avoid anything that has changed hands recently, because that landlord just bought the property to profit (and probably has an active loan to pay off). My landlord thought he could buy a property, evict poor residents (illegally) and jack up rent - and its sheer luck someone caught it. It is explicitly illegal to evict a rent-controlled tenant with the intent of increasing rent. Rent control doesn't determine price once it hits the open market (with some exceptions), but it limits price increases and limits the ability of the landlord to evict you to find a higher-paying tenant. This incentives staying where you are once you find a good-enough place instead of moving around a lot - the goal is to provide a way to keep long-time residents as alternative to home ownership.
adrianN 4y ago
Maybe people with 40 year old contracts?

by csa 4y ago

szundi 4y ago

Plenty of free space under the bridges for homeless, maybe those count too

winrid 4y ago
In 2013 I lived in a camper in some guys back yard for 700/mo. Under the bridge must be at least 300...

vineyardmike 4y ago

A huge amount of rental stock in the city is rent-controlled (especially cheap stuff), which tend to not see heavy turnover, meaning it'll be hard for you to find one, if you're looking. Additionally, rent control limits upside for the landlord, so they tend to spend less advertising them, again, making it harder to find. So thats partially why you can't find any cheap rents despite the numbers. Source: I live in a $1800 1200sqft 2br with a garage, in Noe valley - rent controlled. Can't be evicted, can't have rent raised, can't ever afford to move.

TechnicolorByte 4y ago
Well this makes me feel silly for renting a private master bedroom+bath in a shared house in NoPa for $2k :) granted I love the location and convenience of it. Maybe I should start looking around for these rent controlled places…
- vineyardmike 4y ago
  Its definitely not common to find, my apartment was sheer luck: It was going to be ~$5k, but the landlord got sued for violating rent-control, and was required to re-rent it at the "historic" price, so sheer luck on my part. Most places will be rent-controlled, if they're older buildings (so your master-bedroom situation is probably rent controlled). If the landlord can't provide an exemption certificate from the city, you can assume its rent controlled (you can also ask the city to provide the status for an address). The best way to find under-market places are to look for for-rent signs and craigslist. Think anything cheap and easy. Again, this landlord isn't making money and doesn't want to spend money. Anecdotally, avoid anything that has changed hands recently, because that landlord just bought the property to profit (and probably has an active loan to pay off). My landlord thought he could buy a property, evict poor residents (illegally) and jack up rent - and its sheer luck someone caught it. It is explicitly illegal to evict a rent-controlled tenant with the intent of increasing rent. Rent control doesn't determine price once it hits the open market (with some exceptions), but it limits price increases and limits the ability of the landlord to evict you to find a higher-paying tenant. This incentives staying where you are once you find a good-enough place instead of moving around a lot - the goal is to provide a way to keep long-time residents as alternative to home ownership.

adrianN 4y ago

Maybe people with 40 year old contracts?