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Microsoft shows full-screen Windows 11 upgrade ads with two 'yes' buttons
- ldxza 4y agoI don't know how people can use their computers at all given the BS Microsoft does these days. Like, why do people put up with this if they really don't have to and could just use Linux? I mean, even Valve chose Linux over Windows for the Steam Deck.
- nwah1 4y agoThey can't trick me. I know what works. I'm sticking with Windows 98.
- yamtaddle 4y agoEverything since 7's been a downgrade. And really, if they'd just patched a very small set of 7 features into XP (mostly driver management improvements), I'd prefer that.
- rightbyte 4y agoYou'd probably want AMD64 support too? The XP UI was so much better. Technically I think I remember 7 as working better but I didn't like it as much.
- yamtaddle 4y agoThere was a 64 bit XP but it broke some games and a bunch of drivers were never re-compiled for it, IIRC, so it wasn't very popular.
- piperswe 4y agoI think an XP userland (hardened and with security updates) on the modern NT kernel would be a quite enjoyable experience
- Falkon1313 4y agoI wouldn't touch 8, but I rather like 10, and I'll stick with that until 12. Windows has a long tradition where whenever there's a good version, the next version sucks and vice-versa. Sort of the "tick-flop" model of software releases.
- accrual 4y agoI run Windows 98 on my WIP retro computer. I recently got into the habit of dual booting OpenBSD so I can rsync C:\WINDOWS to another partition, and rsync it back when it inevitably becomes unbootable as I test things out. This was a golden moment for me as I was no longer installing a fresh copy 3x per day. More on-topic: Windows 98 is not only nostalgic but it also represents a past time when we were more in control of our PCs, and understanding them fully was a less daunting task.
- jonathankoren 4y agoI kind of wonder what happens if you put a Windows 3.11 complete with Trumpet WinSock on the unprotected internet these days. I wonder if it’s immune because there’s all the malware has evolved past its exploits. Watch there be some retro computing enthusiast (unintentionally?) running Back Orifice out there. Like a shadow ecosystem of archaic malware.
- ThePowerOfFuet 4y ago>Trumpet WinSock I was not prepared for that sudden blast of feelings.
- 3np 4y agoGet with the times. Windows 2000 Professional is the ticket. Even 2003 Server and 2008 server (IIRC) could practically be run as bloatless versions of their corresponding desktop versions, with way less fiddling. If I really had to be running a Windows desktop today the first thing I'd do is look if there's a viable server edition. Wikipedia tells me that Server 2022 will be supported until 2031. Not that I foresee having to do that anytime soon but would still be curious to hear if people are still doing this and if it's still the way to go.
- Iolaum 4y agoThe "small" things that make you happy you can use linux at $work :)
- rolph 4y ago"Fortunately, there are many ways to prevent such banners from infecting your computer. One could give Microsoft a taste of its own medicine by disabling TPM to render the computer "incompatible" with Windows 11 (this potentially increases security risks, so proceed only if you are 100% sure turning off TPM will not break anything on your system). Also, paying attention and reading what your computer tries to say, regardless of how vague the descriptions are, dramatically reduces the chances of getting unplanned upgrades"
- r00fus 4y ago> this potentially increases security risks, so proceed only if you are 100% sure turning off TPM will not break anything on your system So is there any real risk to disabling so-called "Trusted Platform Module"?
- mschuster91 4y agoYes, if you have Bitlocker with hardware-backed encryption active and you clear out the TPM you will not be able to unlock that disk in the worst case.
- gjsman-1000 4y agoAnd don't make the mistake of thinking, oh, if I don't have Windows 11 Pro, I don't have BitLocker. Windows has been rolling out, on some processors and configurations, a feature called "Device Encryption." Which is basically BitLocker except it is on by default, included in Windows 11 Home, and escrows a copy of your key to your Microsoft Account (which makes the MSA requirement for "more security" make a little more sense)...
- hsbauauvhabzb 4y agoSo if a users motherboard dies, are they able to recover the data stored on disk?
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- gjsman-1000 4y agoI mean, there is an option to stay on Windows 10 but man... Microsoft, really scraping the bottom of the barrel with that move. Though with only 18% of Windows users on Windows 11, and Windows 10 going EOL in 2 years supposedly... maybe they are that desperate. Having to extend Windows 10's service life would be humiliating.
- Traubenfuchs 4y ago> Microsoft, really scraping the bottom of the barrel with that move. They have been there at least since Candy Crush appeared in the Start menu.
- gjsman-1000 4y agoTrue. It's not like the Windows 10 upgrade was handled in a user-respecting way either... and everything related to Microsoft Edge is pretty awful.
- goldfeld 4y agoIt's the same brainless intent that has TV hosts receiving the crappiest pop music numbness on their programs. Not that I've ever seen that.
- amysox 4y agoAll you people who thought that Micro$oft in the Satya Nidella era had become a kinder, gentler company, this is proof positive that the tiger doesn't change its stripes. (now looking for a good alternative to the Atom text editor because I refuse to use VSCode)
- goldfeld 4y agoYes! Yes we can, we have fabulous Windows Subsystem for Linux and we hang out with the OpenAI chaps. I'll rant. MS can go to the ninth hell with Zuck and Larry Page et al for all I care, the only part I cannot swallow is Bill Gates now wants to play the good old man. Everything MS does today is exactly as he would always have done it. I'm sorry bill but the precedent immoral fools like you and jobs set is worth more shit and shame (and damage to culture) than your old age could ever make up for, you're a disgrace unto this world and may the memory of these men rot in a dungeon up to par with their ethical hygiene. I hope this is the year of linux on the desktop.
- jaimex2 4y agoI hope not. Things get ruined when they go mainstream.
- epolanski 4y agoWith all due respect, that kind of anger you have seems severely misdirected. There's better targets for it than technology companies and their former CEOs.
- xg15 4y agoSuch as?
- tmtvl 4y agoHuman traffickers, religious extremists, child molesters, fossil fuel companies, and adtech companies?
- thefurdrake 4y agoWhat if I told you it's possible to hate more than one thing at the same time? What even IS this response?
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- mkasberg 4y agoCrap like this makes my Linux desktop (Gnome on Ubuntu) feel nice in comparison. As the mainstream players have added more bloat/ads/etc (e.g. ads in the start menu) over the last N years, and the Linux desktop has gotten more mature, it really does just feel simple & smooth in comparison. Not suggesting Linux is for everyone, but if you happen to use it or are thinking about it, it's nice.
- jaimex2 4y agoLinux desktops are nicer period. Both OSX and Windows feel like an archaic mess when you go back to them. How are system restarts still a thing?!
- bombolo 4y agoWindows doesn't support changing the volume by scrolling when having the mouse on the speaker tray icon. I miss that so much when I'm on windows and not on KDE.
- crtasm 4y agoinstall Eartrumpet to get that, and other useful features.
- danyho 4y agoI am on Windows 11 right now and it most definitely does work.
- chupasaurus 4y agoAnd 10, both "new" scroll panel and the old mixer one.
- blooalien 4y agoIt's all the little conveniences like that in desktop oriented Linux-based operating systems (which directly correspond to opposing "paper-cuts" in Windows and often MacOS) which have kept me on Linux for a couple few decades now (last Windows I used regularly was Windows 7). It was rough going at first, as Linux distros weren't nearly as "polished" back then as they mostly are now, but it was worth it because Linux simply kept improving in every little detail that mattered to me. Every time I'm forced to touch Windows these days, it's positively painful trying to navigate even the most basic functions.
- garganzol 4y agoSo does the publisher of the article (neowin.net) with its cookie popup.
- sys42590 4y agoCookie pop-ups became so prevalent and full of dark patterns that I consider surfing the web highly unpleasant without appropriate technical countermeasures. (e.g. "I don't care about cookies" extension). Unfortunately I haven't found a blocker for the recurring nag screens from Microsoft asking me to switch from a local account to a Microsoft account to log into Windows.
- TwoNineFive 4y agoNeowin is just reposting a report from Ghacks https://www.ghacks.net/2023/02/01/windows-10-now-unlocked-windows-11-upgrade-screen-is-a-deceptive-design-pattern/ https://www.ghacks.net/2023/02/01/windows-10-now-unlocked-wi... And Ghacks got their info from a reddit post Link should have been updated with original source.
- pritambaral 4y agoOne is an Operating System you buy and pay for, to run — ostensibly — your computer. The other is a website you visit for a specific genre of news.
- btax 4y agoWhy don't they finish actually implementing W11, give it a consistent UI standard and stop investing all their energy in trying to monitor and monetize their already paying users? Maybe then, people will upgrade.
- brokencode 4y agoPart of the problem is that many “paying users” haven’t paid for a long time. Windows 11 is a free upgrade, which of course means that Microsoft is finding new and creative ways to extract a profit. I’d personally rather pay for extremely high quality OS updates, but I know from personal experience that most people don’t care enough to pay. They’d stick with the old OS until they have to buy a new computer, which could be 5+ years. So for Microsoft, they either have to support large amounts of users on old OS versions or make the upgrades free. Unless Microsoft can start making large profits on the hardware like Apple does, this is really the only business model that makes sense.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y agoIf Microsoft would make a good OS again I would pay $500/yr for it. As it is, I will move to Linux before I move to 11. Apparently shoving ads at people is more profitable than providing an actually good product.
- brokencode 4y agoYes, it is way more profitable. Just look at the mobile gaming market for an example of ads and scammy in-app purchases taken to the extreme. People expect mobile games to be “free”, even though console and PC games typically cost $20-$60. Good luck finding consumers to pay even $20 for a mobile game, much less $60. Similarly, good luck finding consumers to pay $500 an OS upgrade now that they think it should be “free”.
- wrldos 4y agoThe UI is fairly consistent now. Certainly better than windows 10. But yes tracking, monetising and marketing the shit out of people, no thanks! Hardly worthy of the Pro moniker when you see that.
- Havoc 4y agoAt least their whole TPM debacle has kept Win11 off my back.
- AlexandrB 4y agoYes, this has been a real godsend.
- spartanatreyu 4y ago> Many users are likely to click the first highlighted button without reading the message Honestly, these are most likely the people who would benefit most from being dragged kicking and screaming into updating, lest they fall victim to randomware.
- Dalewyn 4y agoGetting manipulated into installing an entirely new operating system is literally randomware.
- spartanatreyu 4y agoBetter randomware than ransomware.
- stjohnswarts 4y agoWindows 10 is still receiving updates. this seems like shitty way to shove windows 11 on them.
- spartanatreyu 4y agoYes, but eventually it will stop receiving updates. And it'll be better to forcefully migrate in a slower progressive/staggered manner rather than everyone all at once, to reduce the impact of bugs.
- bitwize 4y agoBorrowing an old trick from Super Mario Galaxy 2, I see: https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/5rpbvw/super_mario_galaxy_2_really_bombards_you_with/ https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/5rpbvw/super_mario_...
- exelib 4y agoI have never seen this screen. Why don't you just click the "Keep Windows 10" button? But TBH, I wish the same from many other projects. Update python 2->3 was really painful for the whole community. Same for cjs->esm. I am pretty sure both would have been much faster and less painful if it was a hard switch.
- AgentME 4y agoIf your computer isn't compatible with Windows 11 (your CPU/motherboard not having a TPM probably being the main reason) then you won't see the upgrade prompt.
- Xylakant 4y agoI haven’t seen that screen either on multiple computers running Win 10, all of them with a TPM. Likely reason is that I’m running the pro and enterprise versions respectively which puts me in a different customer bucket.
- htag 4y ago1. An operating system should only display something on the screen if it is in service of the user. This is in service to Microsoft, and a full screen display. 2. The two 'yes' buttons shows Microsoft is really shaky on the concept of consent. Why is Microsoft pushing Windows 11 so strongly? Is there an economic advantage for them to have a user on W11 instead of W10? I haven't owned or dailyed a Windows computer since before Windows 8 was released, this question comes from a place of curiosity as an outsider.
- tmtvl 4y agoThey make (made?) stores pay a license fee for each machine sold, and Windows 11 won't run as well on older hardware therefore prompting people to buy new machines.
- wkat4242 4y agoThey do the same with Edge, I never understood why they care so much if people use their chromium fork instead of the normal one. At the same time they're also making it user hostile with all the suggested offer crap so I'm sure it won't get much marketshare. Normally the idea is to wait with this hostile monetisation until you have the marketshare lol. I have to use it at work though because MS lobbied heavily to make it the standard browser there
- 0cf8612b2e1e 4y ago>I never understood why they care so much if people use their chromium fork instead of the normal one. Microsoft controls the default homepage of Edge. The homepage which most certainly receives millions of daily views owing to how few people change defaults.
- soupfordummies 4y agoIt’s also a huge PITA to change as far as browser homepages go!
- richwater 4y agoSeriously who gives a shit? Apple force updates your iphone all the time.
- tpmx 4y agoI think anyone who uses win 10 cares. Win 11 is shitshow. Tried it on my gaming machine a few months ago because I was curious. The best thing about it was the ability to revert to Win 10. It was time limited - you could only do this within 1 week after the "upgrade". I explicitly paid money to Microsoft for a Win 10 license to be treated like this.
- ldxza 4y agoCould just give Linux a chance for gaming.
- stjohnswarts 4y agowhat was a shit show? I only have one windows machine with 10 on it and it's not compatible with windows 11, but I'll probably have to replace it as it's about 8 years old (but with relatively new drive and maxed out memory)
- tpmx 4y agoUX and general performance. - In general, most things are implemented with even worse design and UX/UI taste than before. Example: Drop-down/context menus have these dead zones between every row, a few pixels tall, for no particular reason where no row is highlighted. That particular thing was driving me up the wall. It just makes no sense. - So much weird jank in basic Win32 components.
- kyriakos 4y agoPerformance is way better for me on 11 than 10. Even on an unsupported cpu.
- wrldos 4y agoI used to be annoyed about this until I experienced the tail end of Windows XP and Windows 7 in the financial services market. I've seen things that would make any sysadmin out there cry. I mean I'm still annoyed yet as a power user but I see why they do it.
- FirstLvR 4y agoWindows 10 looking real good right now
- rwaksmunski 4y agoMy Windows 10 LTSB is going strong, no ads either. Plenty of time left on the security patches too.
- Falkon1313 4y agoSame with my Windows 10 Pro. I'm always surprised to see so many complaints about it here, where I would expect most of the audience is somewhat tech literate and could easily configure it the way they want in a matter of minutes.
- sys32768 4y agoYou cannot buy refurbished Dell systems with Windows 10 on them now. Dell support also cannot answer whether they can be downgraded to 10 from 11, even though most refurbs in their outlet originally shipped with 10.
- stjohnswarts 4y agoLol good thing my one windows machine is too old to update to win11.
- Laaas 4y agoI upgraded to Windows 11 on purpose, I don't quite understand the complaints about it. You need TPM 2 and Secure Boot anyway for security (no, password-based encryption is not secure).
- Gigachad 4y agoHow is password based encryption not secure? The hardware based encryption used on windows and macos doesn't seem to really do anything and is always used in combination with password based encryption. Seems to be more of a "it's free to add so why not, and it might be useful to stop brute force cracking the password"
- squarefoot 4y ago"This new Windows version is going to give the users what they want. We'll make them an offer they can't refuse".
- IronWolve 4y agoI waited for a long time to upgrade to win11 due to issues. A start menu and task bar replacement fixed my biggest issue. WSL2 is awesome compared to WSL1. I dont care for the animations are either on/off, because I hate the zoom out animation when turning on my 2nd monitor. Other than that, stuff works now and seems to work rather nicely. Also, font rendering is nicer.
- wkat4242 4y agoI really preferred WSL1 because it was lower overhead and more integrated. It was really like managing Windows through gnu tools. WSL2 is just a VM and I don't care about kernel compatibility.
- yuuta 4y agoI'm always using the Enterprise edition. No such crap. Microsoft should treat consumers better.
- midoridensha 4y agoNo, they shouldn't. They can make more profit by treating customers badly, and profit and shareholder value are the only things that matter, so that's what they should do. If consumers don't like this, then they should find alternatives. Microsoft treating consumers badly is nothing new.
- fortyseven 4y agoWhat the fuck are you even saying?
- Dalewyn 4y agoProbably prompted an overgrown Word macro to spit out some words.
- ThePowerOfFuet 4y ago> What the fuck are you even saying? They were saying the truth: as a corporation, their primary fiduciary responsiblity is to return value to their shareholders. Definitely worth watching: https://archive.org/details/The_Corporation_ https://archive.org/details/The_Corporation_
- fortyseven 4y agoSo glad I dumped these jerks.
- HomeDeLaPot 4y agoI booted Windows the other day and was greeted with an unskippable screen advertising a bunch of stuff I don't need like an Office 365 subscription, OneDrive, connecting my phone, switching my default browser to Edge... The only way to get past it is to hit Continue and click through like six ads one by one, finding the hidden skip button on each ad. All this under the guise of "let us help you get more out of Windows!" as if they were not forcing me to run a gauntlet of ads before being able to use my computer. Talk about dark patterns. This is not even the first time it's happened on this machine. I already use a Mac for work, so maybe it really is time to let go of my Windows-only PC games, install Linux, and escape Microsoft's orbit.
- devinprater 4y agoCan't wait until Linux devs get around to accessibility. I'd leave Windows in a heartbeat. It's only getting worse, accessibility-wise.
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 4y agoI saw this the other day and I was disoriented I couldn't find the no. Sorry for the strong words but "What the fuck" was my only thought as I realized what was going on for a product for which I paid hundreds.