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This is a strange read. Making assumptions about an entire platform from a few cherry picked examples. That's a very low quality post. Having worked in both pl

This is a strange read. Making assumptions about an entire platform from a few cherry picked examples. That's a very low quality post. Having worked in both platforms I can say their conclusions are demonstrably false, if not outright biased.

widowlark 4y ago
its almost like it's an extremely apple centric blog with a ton of bias /s for real - i'd rather have a 'brutalist' mastadon client that cannot be removed by Google than 100 pretty mastadon clients that will be blocked permanently from the iOS store the next time a mass shooting occurs.
friedman23 4y ago
Can you prove the results are cherry picked? Android app quality being worse than iOS is my personal experience as well. There are many reasons for this too. Show us well known consumer Android apps where the iOS and Android app experiences are on par.
- howinteresting 4y ago
  Firefox on Android is significantly better than on iOS.
akmarinov 4y ago
Obvioulsy Gruber is extremely pro-Apple He's also been showing his age quite a bit, being against a lot of recent developments, like being anti-remote work.
- MBCook 4y ago
  > like being anti-remote work. I don’t remember that at all. Can you provide a link?
  - jgruber 4y ago
    I am not “anti remote work”. That would be absurd (and, personally, hypocritical). But I strongly believe that remote work isn’t good for some teams, and for some roles. No remote work for anyone: bad policy. Everyone on every team can work remote: sometimes a bad policy. That’s my position. A lot of people who strongly feel they should always have the option of full-time remote work object to that.
    - onlineonly 4y ago
      "Everyone on every team can work remote: sometimes a bad policy." I agree with a lot of what you say, but where is your proof of this? Everyone worked remotely for 2 years and we all made money.
    - jedikv 4y ago
      The objection was to you telling Apple employees to shut up and never question Apple authority. And then pulling some mental gymnastics that Apple is 'special' with not being remote friendly
  - ckoerner 4y ago
    I think this is the article they are referring to. https://daringfireball.net/linked/2021/06/04/apple-remote-work https://daringfireball.net/linked/2021/06/04/apple-remote-wo...
- armadsen 4y ago
  I like John Gruber and usually agree with him. But his anti-remote work thing is baffling, and made even more so by the fact that he himself has worked from home for going on 20 years.
newaccount2021 4y ago
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adamredwoods 4y ago
He has a lot of strange, biased writings, because he's an Apple evangelist. >> But more broadly they all just look and especially feel inert and rigid. Nothing shrinks or stretches. There’s no life to them. I can see this two ways: some people WANT to be entertained by the UI when they're surfing. Others like myself, don't want extraneous distractions. The UI should be secondary to the information. The second quote on the developer choosing OSX over Windows, is quite interesting. I would think that an application developer, being even more into their craft, would eventually want LESS interference from the device UI, to where they would become platform agnostic and roll their own "life" into the application's UI.
- kitsunesoba 4y ago
  If well applied, things like animation in UI isn't superfluous. I would agree that a lot of animation in software is superfluous, but that doesn't mean that it has to be. As far as developer choice goes, that's going to depend on what gets that particular individual fired up. Personally speaking, it's the possibility to produce something that's both polished and thoughtful on top of being highly functional. For me a project where the human interface is to be phoned in sounds like a miserable slog.
Gorbzel 4y ago
I’ve worked on both platforms for over a decade. Gruber’s conclusions are spot on.

widowlark 4y ago

its almost like it's an extremely apple centric blog with a ton of bias /s for real - i'd rather have a 'brutalist' mastadon client that cannot be removed by Google than 100 pretty mastadon clients that will be blocked permanently from the iOS store the next time a mass shooting occurs.

friedman23 4y ago

Can you prove the results are cherry picked? Android app quality being worse than iOS is my personal experience as well. There are many reasons for this too. Show us well known consumer Android apps where the iOS and Android app experiences are on par.

howinteresting 4y ago
Firefox on Android is significantly better than on iOS.

akmarinov 4y ago

Obvioulsy Gruber is extremely pro-Apple He's also been showing his age quite a bit, being against a lot of recent developments, like being anti-remote work.

MBCook 4y ago
> like being anti-remote work. I don’t remember that at all. Can you provide a link?
- jgruber 4y ago
  I am not “anti remote work”. That would be absurd (and, personally, hypocritical). But I strongly believe that remote work isn’t good for some teams, and for some roles. No remote work for anyone: bad policy. Everyone on every team can work remote: sometimes a bad policy. That’s my position. A lot of people who strongly feel they should always have the option of full-time remote work object to that.
  - onlineonly 4y ago
    "Everyone on every team can work remote: sometimes a bad policy." I agree with a lot of what you say, but where is your proof of this? Everyone worked remotely for 2 years and we all made money.
  - jedikv 4y ago
    The objection was to you telling Apple employees to shut up and never question Apple authority. And then pulling some mental gymnastics that Apple is 'special' with not being remote friendly
- ckoerner 4y ago
  I think this is the article they are referring to. https://daringfireball.net/linked/2021/06/04/apple-remote-work https://daringfireball.net/linked/2021/06/04/apple-remote-wo...
armadsen 4y ago
I like John Gruber and usually agree with him. But his anti-remote work thing is baffling, and made even more so by the fact that he himself has worked from home for going on 20 years.

newaccount2021 4y ago

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adamredwoods 4y ago

He has a lot of strange, biased writings, because he's an Apple evangelist. >> But more broadly they all just look and especially feel inert and rigid. Nothing shrinks or stretches. There’s no life to them. I can see this two ways: some people WANT to be entertained by the UI when they're surfing. Others like myself, don't want extraneous distractions. The UI should be secondary to the information. The second quote on the developer choosing OSX over Windows, is quite interesting. I would think that an application developer, being even more into their craft, would eventually want LESS interference from the device UI, to where they would become platform agnostic and roll their own "life" into the application's UI.

kitsunesoba 4y ago
If well applied, things like animation in UI isn't superfluous. I would agree that a lot of animation in software is superfluous, but that doesn't mean that it has to be. As far as developer choice goes, that's going to depend on what gets that particular individual fired up. Personally speaking, it's the possibility to produce something that's both polished and thoughtful on top of being highly functional. For me a project where the human interface is to be phoned in sounds like a miserable slog.

Gorbzel 4y ago

I’ve worked on both platforms for over a decade. Gruber’s conclusions are spot on.