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Not sure how a persons view of drugs, monogamy and if he has a liberal education or not ties into the rest of what you say.

Laaas 4y ago
It doesn't. Seemingly it's hard to keep yourself to the truth when shitting on SBF.
gitfan86 4y ago
Society in general has norms around drugs, sex, finance, law. He believes that all norms are not based on reality but arbitrary and can be easily ignored.
- haswell 4y ago
  The existence of a norm does not imply that it is good (see: racism), and not all norms are enshrined in law. To me, the issue is not that norms don't or shouldn't exist, but how the parent comment uses norms that are currently at the forefront of social controversy and rapid change with a subtle implication that breaking these norms is worthy of judgement, and an explanation for larger transgressions. Having views about sex and drugs that break from societal trends is not an indicator that someone is more or less likely to behave as if norms don't exist at all. Most people who practice ENM are fully aware of the delta between societal attitudes and members of that community, and have no illusions about how society will perceive them. They just don't care, and they don't have to, because they're free to pursue relationships with whom they please. Believing all norms are arbitrary seems more like a product of privilege leading to an unbalanced and limited understanding of the world than a product of any of the individual factors mentioned by the parent.
  - gamblor956 4y ago
    How is this a liberal conspiracy? SBF's father is a member of the Federalist Society, a far-right political group that has taken control of the federal judiciary over the past 2 decades. The judge that granted SBF bail is also a member of the Federalist Society...
    - haswell 4y ago
      Where is the liberal conspiracy? I don't understand where you're coming from.
- shapefrog 4y ago
  When you look around successful circles 'the norm' for drugs, sex, finance and law are pretty well aligned with SBF. Go on linkedin and you will see people bullshitting just as much if not more, its basically a meme at this point.
largepeepee 4y ago
He doesn't make much sense. Though I'll agree on one point. His parents had raised him to be a more efficient, cold hearted version of themselves, and even helped him setup the massive shell corporations. Their liberal connections also greased the wheels into him meeting powerful individuals in politics so early on, something no one else in the industry could. His brother is even still actively trying to grab that multi-billion dollar healthcare govt contract with their nonprofit.
- freejazz 4y ago
  Did the liberal connections have blue hair?
  - largepeepee 4y ago
    Oh nothing physically identifying, they simply ran a decades old democratic party fundraiser that backed numerous candidates over the years. Not pointing at either political party, simply noting that sam knew to play the system his parents worked in their entire lives.
    - freejazz 4y ago
      His dad wasn't and isn't a "liberal", certainly not in the sense you are implicating here.
rayiner 4y ago
They’re all rules designed to get people to behave in pro-social rather than anti-social, self-serving ways. The taboo on drug usage is so able bodied people don’t compromise themselves and their ability to work to sustain the community. The taboo on polyamory is to reduce the spread of disease and ensure pairwise coupling to facilitate raising children. Regulations on ways of managing other people’s money ensure that markets can function.
- BiteCode_dev 4y ago
  If it were the case, there would be no society with drugs and polyamory. Yet there are mormons, muslims, alchohol and cigarets. What you call anti-social, some other group call it life. And vice versa. A christian taboo or an american indulgence is not a universal construct. The same construct is not event stable throught time and extremely diverse and functioning social configurations have existed along history. Also, there is such thing as one that was so good that it lasted forever. No reference point to consider a standard. However, they are local norms and ignoring them will cause contextual mismatch. So indeed, an austistic person may fail to appreciate this and only see the arbitrary aspect of it, and cause trouble.
  - jack_pp 4y ago
    Coffee and cigarettes improve productivity not reduce it. Heavy alcohol consumption will get you in trouble, could even get you in jail. Muslims are not as a rule poly amorous. Only a select few. Mormons are a very very small portion of society. Through millennia of cultural iteration we have arrived at monogamy and for good reason. You can already see what a society without monogamy is starting to look like. Thanks to Tinder, birth control and degradation of family values you get a lot of single mothers and 'incels' that have little to no incentive to contribute to society and every incentive to play video games and waste their life away. All from the fact that a few man have sex with all the women and society accepts it
    - 4ggr0 4y ago
      > Coffee and cigarettes improve productivity not reduce it. Heavy alcohol consumption will get you in trouble, could even get you in jail. On the other hand one beer calms me down a bit and too much coffee means that I'm a nervous wreck. Three puffs of a cigarette and I have to sit down. Don't really get your point.

Laaas 4y ago

It doesn't. Seemingly it's hard to keep yourself to the truth when shitting on SBF.

gitfan86 4y ago

Society in general has norms around drugs, sex, finance, law. He believes that all norms are not based on reality but arbitrary and can be easily ignored.

haswell 4y ago
The existence of a norm does not imply that it is good (see: racism), and not all norms are enshrined in law. To me, the issue is not that norms don't or shouldn't exist, but how the parent comment uses norms that are currently at the forefront of social controversy and rapid change with a subtle implication that breaking these norms is worthy of judgement, and an explanation for larger transgressions. Having views about sex and drugs that break from societal trends is not an indicator that someone is more or less likely to behave as if norms don't exist at all. Most people who practice ENM are fully aware of the delta between societal attitudes and members of that community, and have no illusions about how society will perceive them. They just don't care, and they don't have to, because they're free to pursue relationships with whom they please. Believing all norms are arbitrary seems more like a product of privilege leading to an unbalanced and limited understanding of the world than a product of any of the individual factors mentioned by the parent.
- gamblor956 4y ago
  How is this a liberal conspiracy? SBF's father is a member of the Federalist Society, a far-right political group that has taken control of the federal judiciary over the past 2 decades. The judge that granted SBF bail is also a member of the Federalist Society...
  - haswell 4y ago
    Where is the liberal conspiracy? I don't understand where you're coming from.
shapefrog 4y ago
When you look around successful circles 'the norm' for drugs, sex, finance and law are pretty well aligned with SBF. Go on linkedin and you will see people bullshitting just as much if not more, its basically a meme at this point.

largepeepee 4y ago

He doesn't make much sense. Though I'll agree on one point. His parents had raised him to be a more efficient, cold hearted version of themselves, and even helped him setup the massive shell corporations. Their liberal connections also greased the wheels into him meeting powerful individuals in politics so early on, something no one else in the industry could. His brother is even still actively trying to grab that multi-billion dollar healthcare govt contract with their nonprofit.

freejazz 4y ago
Did the liberal connections have blue hair?
- largepeepee 4y ago
  Oh nothing physically identifying, they simply ran a decades old democratic party fundraiser that backed numerous candidates over the years. Not pointing at either political party, simply noting that sam knew to play the system his parents worked in their entire lives.
  - freejazz 4y ago
    His dad wasn't and isn't a "liberal", certainly not in the sense you are implicating here.

rayiner 4y ago

They’re all rules designed to get people to behave in pro-social rather than anti-social, self-serving ways. The taboo on drug usage is so able bodied people don’t compromise themselves and their ability to work to sustain the community. The taboo on polyamory is to reduce the spread of disease and ensure pairwise coupling to facilitate raising children. Regulations on ways of managing other people’s money ensure that markets can function.

BiteCode_dev 4y ago
If it were the case, there would be no society with drugs and polyamory. Yet there are mormons, muslims, alchohol and cigarets. What you call anti-social, some other group call it life. And vice versa. A christian taboo or an american indulgence is not a universal construct. The same construct is not event stable throught time and extremely diverse and functioning social configurations have existed along history. Also, there is such thing as one that was so good that it lasted forever. No reference point to consider a standard. However, they are local norms and ignoring them will cause contextual mismatch. So indeed, an austistic person may fail to appreciate this and only see the arbitrary aspect of it, and cause trouble.
- jack_pp 4y ago
  Coffee and cigarettes improve productivity not reduce it. Heavy alcohol consumption will get you in trouble, could even get you in jail. Muslims are not as a rule poly amorous. Only a select few. Mormons are a very very small portion of society. Through millennia of cultural iteration we have arrived at monogamy and for good reason. You can already see what a society without monogamy is starting to look like. Thanks to Tinder, birth control and degradation of family values you get a lot of single mothers and 'incels' that have little to no incentive to contribute to society and every incentive to play video games and waste their life away. All from the fact that a few man have sex with all the women and society accepts it
  - 4ggr0 4y ago
    > Coffee and cigarettes improve productivity not reduce it. Heavy alcohol consumption will get you in trouble, could even get you in jail. On the other hand one beer calms me down a bit and too much coffee means that I'm a nervous wreck. Three puffs of a cigarette and I have to sit down. Don't really get your point.