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And there the typical 35 year aggressive attitude I have to deal with daily. Your joking right in thinking that no communication is loss via email? Team, zoom m

And there the typical 35 year aggressive attitude I have to deal with daily. Your joking right in thinking that no communication is loss via email? Team, zoom meetings take away facial expressions and as someone with social blindness it makes my job harder to engage. Why so hostile? As from what I see the culture here, the prosperity that they give has been one of the I best fitted environments I've worked in. Very surprised especially for the industry. So no its not companies issue, its not a "ME" problem. Its a person issue, professional behaviour slips, people get sloppy. I don't want to divide work with pleasure. Why should I, so you can stay home with your dog? I want to come home and know for certain there is no essence of work present. Sometimes I need that complete downtime just to recover. Let my guard down without having to create some divide. At this point its moot. You have your view and I have mine. You won't consider from my perspective and I understand yours and the WFH perspective. Its always "WFH is amazing" when no one takes in to account that it doesn't work for others. Its a change that needs to happen, it does give benefits and it sounds like it does for you. Good. But my benefits are working in the office. Why is that hard to comprehend. I'm a SysAdmin and like being on premises of the hardware then a software developer like yourself (according to your profile).

SamoyedFurFluff 4y ago
Forgive my confusion, but why do you specify needing space away from work now when the vast majority of your concerns prior was struggling with textual mediums? I could suggest if you want to be on prem, you can be. But none of that will address that not only do you want to be on prem you have frustration that other people are not. Couldn’t difficulty with communication be resolved via personal occupational therapy or coaching?
- doublerabbit 4y ago
  But how do you identify if the issue is with you or them? If its you, sure you could. But if it's them, how so you convince that they have a problem? Why would it be my problem, when I get on with other folk? I find that talking in person, allows me to express what I'm wanting to express clearly. Its hard, but easier. Why can't a compromise be made where you have three days off and then the two you come in? Why does it have to be All X, none Y or vice versa. WFH shouldn't be having weeks off from the office. It should be a tool not a privilege.
  - SamoyedFurFluff 4y ago
    Wel I mean, there are definitely jobs like that. Why not just take those? Let the people who want to be 100% remote just work at the jobs that are 100% remote, instead of working at a 100% remote job and wanting the workplace to change. I’m sympathetic that you mentioned having a disability (if social blindness is what you meant by this) but I’m unsure if making everyone you talk to commute into the office a reasonable accommodation.
    - doublerabbit 4y ago
      I do. Hybird should be the way to go. Four day weeks. But its not easy just to find a job. Thank you for your sympathy, it is a disability. I wouldn't want to force anyone to come in to the office. Folk have things going on in their life.
atraac 4y ago
> And there the typical 35 year aggressive attitude I have to deal with daily. I'm actually 29 but sure. > Your joking right in thinking that no communication is loss via email? I would argue that more details are actually _preserved_ when communicating via email rather than face to face. If you cannot properly communicate via written text then yeah, of course any kind of written channel will be worse. I actually like to have everything written down, I can refer to it at any point in the future and if I need someone's immediate attention I simply call. Also f*k emails, that needs to die. There's a reason we have multitudes of different kinds of software for project management, using email to discuss important details is counter productive and obscures information from people who aren't invloved at the time. > Team, zoom meetings take away facial expressions and as someone with social blindness it makes my job harder to engage. Why so hostile? But that is again, a YOU issue. I might come off as hostile because stating something that is true to you as a universal truth - that hybrid work environment is better, annoys me a lot and I'm arguing that it's not. It might be better for YOU, but not for everyone, especially not for people who actually want to be full remote. > I want to come home and know for certain there is no essence of work present. I work from my bedroom and my work does not interweave with my personal life whatsoever. Your point of view reeks of opinions of someone who needs the office to be productive and was forced to work from home and can't handle it. It's perfectly fine, I know people like that too, but stating that wfh bad, we need the office is... really one sided. > Its always "WFH is amazing" when no one takes in to account that it doesn't work for others. But everyone does take it into account. I don't think I've seen a single comment here that said 'everyone should work from home just because I say so'. Let people be fully remote, let people go to the office if they want to. I can guarantee you that majority of people won't though. > I'm a SysAdmin and like being on premises of the hardware Again, that's great, go to the office then? Did I ever write anywhere that you shouldn't be able to? I work with people who meet regularly in the office 8 hour drive away from me and yet I don't feel excluded at all.
- doublerabbit 4y ago
  Good for you. This is really moot. 29, the age fits the angst.. I'm not saying WFH is bad. It should be allowed, but I disagree that it should not be a full working week. To those who prefer to work in the office, who communicate better in the office. Should be taken in to consideration. Sorry that my brain operates differently to yours. When you start to throw personal insults, "ITS A YOU" problem those make your points very weak and blind sided. If I have a problem, I fix it but the problem isn't me. We both have different jobs, it works for you and going in to the office for me. Which is what I do. Hobbies outside work? I have plenty. Your angry, and I don't know why, you sure your not an disgruntled 35 year old? I'm disgruntled at 33.

SamoyedFurFluff 4y ago

Forgive my confusion, but why do you specify needing space away from work now when the vast majority of your concerns prior was struggling with textual mediums? I could suggest if you want to be on prem, you can be. But none of that will address that not only do you want to be on prem you have frustration that other people are not. Couldn’t difficulty with communication be resolved via personal occupational therapy or coaching?

doublerabbit 4y ago
But how do you identify if the issue is with you or them? If its you, sure you could. But if it's them, how so you convince that they have a problem? Why would it be my problem, when I get on with other folk? I find that talking in person, allows me to express what I'm wanting to express clearly. Its hard, but easier. Why can't a compromise be made where you have three days off and then the two you come in? Why does it have to be All X, none Y or vice versa. WFH shouldn't be having weeks off from the office. It should be a tool not a privilege.
- SamoyedFurFluff 4y ago
  Wel I mean, there are definitely jobs like that. Why not just take those? Let the people who want to be 100% remote just work at the jobs that are 100% remote, instead of working at a 100% remote job and wanting the workplace to change. I’m sympathetic that you mentioned having a disability (if social blindness is what you meant by this) but I’m unsure if making everyone you talk to commute into the office a reasonable accommodation.
  - doublerabbit 4y ago
    I do. Hybird should be the way to go. Four day weeks. But its not easy just to find a job. Thank you for your sympathy, it is a disability. I wouldn't want to force anyone to come in to the office. Folk have things going on in their life.

atraac 4y ago

> And there the typical 35 year aggressive attitude I have to deal with daily. I'm actually 29 but sure. > Your joking right in thinking that no communication is loss via email? I would argue that more details are actually _preserved_ when communicating via email rather than face to face. If you cannot properly communicate via written text then yeah, of course any kind of written channel will be worse. I actually like to have everything written down, I can refer to it at any point in the future and if I need someone's immediate attention I simply call. Also f*k emails, that needs to die. There's a reason we have multitudes of different kinds of software for project management, using email to discuss important details is counter productive and obscures information from people who aren't invloved at the time. > Team, zoom meetings take away facial expressions and as someone with social blindness it makes my job harder to engage. Why so hostile? But that is again, a YOU issue. I might come off as hostile because stating something that is true to you as a universal truth - that hybrid work environment is better, annoys me a lot and I'm arguing that it's not. It might be better for YOU, but not for everyone, especially not for people who actually want to be full remote. > I want to come home and know for certain there is no essence of work present. I work from my bedroom and my work does not interweave with my personal life whatsoever. Your point of view reeks of opinions of someone who needs the office to be productive and was forced to work from home and can't handle it. It's perfectly fine, I know people like that too, but stating that wfh bad, we need the office is... really one sided. > Its always "WFH is amazing" when no one takes in to account that it doesn't work for others. But everyone does take it into account. I don't think I've seen a single comment here that said 'everyone should work from home just because I say so'. Let people be fully remote, let people go to the office if they want to. I can guarantee you that majority of people won't though. > I'm a SysAdmin and like being on premises of the hardware Again, that's great, go to the office then? Did I ever write anywhere that you shouldn't be able to? I work with people who meet regularly in the office 8 hour drive away from me and yet I don't feel excluded at all.

doublerabbit 4y ago
Good for you. This is really moot. 29, the age fits the angst.. I'm not saying WFH is bad. It should be allowed, but I disagree that it should not be a full working week. To those who prefer to work in the office, who communicate better in the office. Should be taken in to consideration. Sorry that my brain operates differently to yours. When you start to throw personal insults, "ITS A YOU" problem those make your points very weak and blind sided. If I have a problem, I fix it but the problem isn't me. We both have different jobs, it works for you and going in to the office for me. Which is what I do. Hobbies outside work? I have plenty. Your angry, and I don't know why, you sure your not an disgruntled 35 year old? I'm disgruntled at 33.