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Is his strategy to appear stupid beyond malice?

by scaredginger 4y ago

gitfan86 4y ago
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- capableweb 4y ago
  Not sure how a persons view of drugs, monogamy and if he has a liberal education or not ties into the rest of what you say.
  - Laaas 4y ago
    It doesn't. Seemingly it's hard to keep yourself to the truth when shitting on SBF.
  - gitfan86 4y ago
    Society in general has norms around drugs, sex, finance, law. He believes that all norms are not based on reality but arbitrary and can be easily ignored.
    - haswell 4y ago
      The existence of a norm does not imply that it is good (see: racism), and not all norms are enshrined in law. To me, the issue is not that norms don't or shouldn't exist, but how the parent comment uses norms that are currently at the forefront of social controversy and rapid change with a subtle implication that breaking these norms is worthy of judgement, and an explanation for larger transgressions. Having views about sex and drugs that break from societal trends is not an indicator that someone is more or less likely to behave as if norms don't exist at all. Most people who practice ENM are fully aware of the delta between societal attitudes and members of that community, and have no illusions about how society will perceive them. They just don't care, and they don't have to, because they're free to pursue relationships with whom they please. Believing all norms are arbitrary seems more like a product of privilege leading to an unbalanced and limited understanding of the world than a product of any of the individual factors mentioned by the parent.
      - gamblor956 4y ago
        How is this a liberal conspiracy? SBF's father is a member of the Federalist Society, a far-right political group that has taken control of the federal judiciary over the past 2 decades. The judge that granted SBF bail is also a member of the Federalist Society...
        haswell 4y ago
        Where is the liberal conspiracy? I don't understand where you're coming from.
    - shapefrog 4y ago
      When you look around successful circles 'the norm' for drugs, sex, finance and law are pretty well aligned with SBF. Go on linkedin and you will see people bullshitting just as much if not more, its basically a meme at this point.
  - largepeepee 4y ago
    He doesn't make much sense. Though I'll agree on one point. His parents had raised him to be a more efficient, cold hearted version of themselves, and even helped him setup the massive shell corporations. Their liberal connections also greased the wheels into him meeting powerful individuals in politics so early on, something no one else in the industry could. His brother is even still actively trying to grab that multi-billion dollar healthcare govt contract with their nonprofit.
    - freejazz 4y ago
      Did the liberal connections have blue hair?
      - largepeepee 4y ago
        Oh nothing physically identifying, they simply ran a decades old democratic party fundraiser that backed numerous candidates over the years. Not pointing at either political party, simply noting that sam knew to play the system his parents worked in their entire lives.
        freejazz 4y ago
        His dad wasn't and isn't a "liberal", certainly not in the sense you are implicating here.
  - rayiner 4y ago
    They’re all rules designed to get people to behave in pro-social rather than anti-social, self-serving ways. The taboo on drug usage is so able bodied people don’t compromise themselves and their ability to work to sustain the community. The taboo on polyamory is to reduce the spread of disease and ensure pairwise coupling to facilitate raising children. Regulations on ways of managing other people’s money ensure that markets can function.
    - BiteCode_dev 4y ago
      If it were the case, there would be no society with drugs and polyamory. Yet there are mormons, muslims, alchohol and cigarets. What you call anti-social, some other group call it life. And vice versa. A christian taboo or an american indulgence is not a universal construct. The same construct is not event stable throught time and extremely diverse and functioning social configurations have existed along history. Also, there is such thing as one that was so good that it lasted forever. No reference point to consider a standard. However, they are local norms and ignoring them will cause contextual mismatch. So indeed, an austistic person may fail to appreciate this and only see the arbitrary aspect of it, and cause trouble.
      - jack_pp 4y ago
        Coffee and cigarettes improve productivity not reduce it. Heavy alcohol consumption will get you in trouble, could even get you in jail. Muslims are not as a rule poly amorous. Only a select few. Mormons are a very very small portion of society. Through millennia of cultural iteration we have arrived at monogamy and for good reason. You can already see what a society without monogamy is starting to look like. Thanks to Tinder, birth control and degradation of family values you get a lot of single mothers and 'incels' that have little to no incentive to contribute to society and every incentive to play video games and waste their life away. All from the fact that a few man have sex with all the women and society accepts it
        4ggr0 4y ago
        > Coffee and cigarettes improve productivity not reduce it. Heavy alcohol consumption will get you in trouble, could even get you in jail. On the other hand one beer calms me down a bit and too much coffee means that I'm a nervous wreck. Three puffs of a cigarette and I have to sit down. Don't really get your point.
- phphphphp 4y ago
  > [...] he still believes that he has the power to change society and doesn't need to follow any laws that's not a partisan position, there's fruitcakes of every political persuasion who think they're above the law. for every poly leftist who thinks ponzi schemes are justified because the money can be used to promote veganism, there's a person on the right who thinks ponzi schemes are justified because money can be used to promote christian values.
- JKCalhoun 4y ago
  I think you could have just said privilege.
  - gvb 4y ago
    Not all who are "privileged" abuse their privilege.
    - JKCalhoun 4y ago
      I don' disagree.
- nostrademons 4y ago
  All of society is an arbitrary social construct, sorta by definition. Just because something is socially constructed does not give a person living within that society the power to deconstruct it. That's where SBF's hubris distorts his reality. Society is an arbitrary social construct and social rules can change, but individual people (even ones who steal $9B) have little power to effect that change.
  - jareklupinski 4y ago
    i think society has a thermodynamic basis given a group of people, it is much more efficient to e.g. task some people to farming, some to textile production, and some to animal rearing, than expecting each person to spend a portion of their day doing each task and since most people prefer using fewer calories to accomplish the tasks necessary for living, some natural gravitations towards 'society' start springing up
- lo_zamoyski 4y ago
  > His autism and drug use and liberal education and view of corruption and power from his parents has convinced him that all of society is an arbitrary social construct. > And the fact that he bought off many famous and powerful people was evidence that he is correct in his base assumptions of the world. That does not follow. That people violate norms does not mean norms are "arbitrary". We aren't automatons living in some kind of Platonic universe. The good can be frustrated for various reasons, and in your example, by the very people people making the aforementioned immoral decisions. They are frustrating their own good and the common good. Good and sound norms are rooted in the human good as determined by human nature. Part of what makes humans human is our social nature, which entails society, which further entails a common good because there is no society without a common good. Liberalism gets things backwards by atomizing human beings and construing anything common as a voluntary cession in some way. So, for example, private property is construed as something more basic, prior to, and even in competition with the common good, whereas the traditional view is that private property exists precisely to secure the common good which means it is secondary in this sense.
- tedivm 4y ago
  This is such a weird comment.

Is his strategy to appear stupid beyond malice?

gitfan86 4y ago

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capableweb 4y ago
Not sure how a persons view of drugs, monogamy and if he has a liberal education or not ties into the rest of what you say.
- Laaas 4y ago
  It doesn't. Seemingly it's hard to keep yourself to the truth when shitting on SBF.
- gitfan86 4y ago
  Society in general has norms around drugs, sex, finance, law. He believes that all norms are not based on reality but arbitrary and can be easily ignored.
  - haswell 4y ago
    The existence of a norm does not imply that it is good (see: racism), and not all norms are enshrined in law. To me, the issue is not that norms don't or shouldn't exist, but how the parent comment uses norms that are currently at the forefront of social controversy and rapid change with a subtle implication that breaking these norms is worthy of judgement, and an explanation for larger transgressions. Having views about sex and drugs that break from societal trends is not an indicator that someone is more or less likely to behave as if norms don't exist at all. Most people who practice ENM are fully aware of the delta between societal attitudes and members of that community, and have no illusions about how society will perceive them. They just don't care, and they don't have to, because they're free to pursue relationships with whom they please. Believing all norms are arbitrary seems more like a product of privilege leading to an unbalanced and limited understanding of the world than a product of any of the individual factors mentioned by the parent.
    - gamblor956 4y ago
      How is this a liberal conspiracy? SBF's father is a member of the Federalist Society, a far-right political group that has taken control of the federal judiciary over the past 2 decades. The judge that granted SBF bail is also a member of the Federalist Society...
      - haswell 4y ago
        Where is the liberal conspiracy? I don't understand where you're coming from.
  - shapefrog 4y ago
    When you look around successful circles 'the norm' for drugs, sex, finance and law are pretty well aligned with SBF. Go on linkedin and you will see people bullshitting just as much if not more, its basically a meme at this point.
- largepeepee 4y ago
  He doesn't make much sense. Though I'll agree on one point. His parents had raised him to be a more efficient, cold hearted version of themselves, and even helped him setup the massive shell corporations. Their liberal connections also greased the wheels into him meeting powerful individuals in politics so early on, something no one else in the industry could. His brother is even still actively trying to grab that multi-billion dollar healthcare govt contract with their nonprofit.
  - freejazz 4y ago
    Did the liberal connections have blue hair?
    - largepeepee 4y ago
      Oh nothing physically identifying, they simply ran a decades old democratic party fundraiser that backed numerous candidates over the years. Not pointing at either political party, simply noting that sam knew to play the system his parents worked in their entire lives.
      - freejazz 4y ago
        His dad wasn't and isn't a "liberal", certainly not in the sense you are implicating here.
- rayiner 4y ago
  They’re all rules designed to get people to behave in pro-social rather than anti-social, self-serving ways. The taboo on drug usage is so able bodied people don’t compromise themselves and their ability to work to sustain the community. The taboo on polyamory is to reduce the spread of disease and ensure pairwise coupling to facilitate raising children. Regulations on ways of managing other people’s money ensure that markets can function.
  - BiteCode_dev 4y ago
    If it were the case, there would be no society with drugs and polyamory. Yet there are mormons, muslims, alchohol and cigarets. What you call anti-social, some other group call it life. And vice versa. A christian taboo or an american indulgence is not a universal construct. The same construct is not event stable throught time and extremely diverse and functioning social configurations have existed along history. Also, there is such thing as one that was so good that it lasted forever. No reference point to consider a standard. However, they are local norms and ignoring them will cause contextual mismatch. So indeed, an austistic person may fail to appreciate this and only see the arbitrary aspect of it, and cause trouble.
    - jack_pp 4y ago
      Coffee and cigarettes improve productivity not reduce it. Heavy alcohol consumption will get you in trouble, could even get you in jail. Muslims are not as a rule poly amorous. Only a select few. Mormons are a very very small portion of society. Through millennia of cultural iteration we have arrived at monogamy and for good reason. You can already see what a society without monogamy is starting to look like. Thanks to Tinder, birth control and degradation of family values you get a lot of single mothers and 'incels' that have little to no incentive to contribute to society and every incentive to play video games and waste their life away. All from the fact that a few man have sex with all the women and society accepts it
      - 4ggr0 4y ago
        > Coffee and cigarettes improve productivity not reduce it. Heavy alcohol consumption will get you in trouble, could even get you in jail. On the other hand one beer calms me down a bit and too much coffee means that I'm a nervous wreck. Three puffs of a cigarette and I have to sit down. Don't really get your point.
phphphphp 4y ago
> [...] he still believes that he has the power to change society and doesn't need to follow any laws that's not a partisan position, there's fruitcakes of every political persuasion who think they're above the law. for every poly leftist who thinks ponzi schemes are justified because the money can be used to promote veganism, there's a person on the right who thinks ponzi schemes are justified because money can be used to promote christian values.
JKCalhoun 4y ago
I think you could have just said privilege.
- gvb 4y ago
  Not all who are "privileged" abuse their privilege.
  - JKCalhoun 4y ago
    I don' disagree.
nostrademons 4y ago
All of society is an arbitrary social construct, sorta by definition. Just because something is socially constructed does not give a person living within that society the power to deconstruct it. That's where SBF's hubris distorts his reality. Society is an arbitrary social construct and social rules can change, but individual people (even ones who steal $9B) have little power to effect that change.
- jareklupinski 4y ago
  i think society has a thermodynamic basis given a group of people, it is much more efficient to e.g. task some people to farming, some to textile production, and some to animal rearing, than expecting each person to spend a portion of their day doing each task and since most people prefer using fewer calories to accomplish the tasks necessary for living, some natural gravitations towards 'society' start springing up
lo_zamoyski 4y ago
> His autism and drug use and liberal education and view of corruption and power from his parents has convinced him that all of society is an arbitrary social construct. > And the fact that he bought off many famous and powerful people was evidence that he is correct in his base assumptions of the world. That does not follow. That people violate norms does not mean norms are "arbitrary". We aren't automatons living in some kind of Platonic universe. The good can be frustrated for various reasons, and in your example, by the very people people making the aforementioned immoral decisions. They are frustrating their own good and the common good. Good and sound norms are rooted in the human good as determined by human nature. Part of what makes humans human is our social nature, which entails society, which further entails a common good because there is no society without a common good. Liberalism gets things backwards by atomizing human beings and construing anything common as a voluntary cession in some way. So, for example, private property is construed as something more basic, prior to, and even in competition with the common good, whereas the traditional view is that private property exists precisely to secure the common good which means it is secondary in this sense.
tedivm 4y ago
This is such a weird comment.