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> a sacrifice I have to make and you should never be making a sacrifice for someone else, without enough monetary compensation. The only sacrifice one should

by chii 4y ago

> a sacrifice I have to make and you should never be making a sacrifice for someone else, without enough monetary compensation. The only sacrifice one should make is for enrolling in the armed services.

freilanzer 4y ago
> The only sacrifice one should make is for enrolling in the armed services. God no, this isn't the 1940s.
watwut 4y ago
It heavily depends on which army you are joining and what cause they fight for. Joining army can be step towards supporting atrocities and it can be step towards preventing them. Just like with joining police - in some places it is good thing to do. In others, you are joining another criminal organization.
- carlosjobim 4y ago
  >Joining army can be step towards supporting atrocities and it can be step towards preventing them. Joining a war will always be supporting atrocities committed by your side, while preventing atrocities committed by the enemy.
  - watwut 4y ago
    Yeah, there was no difference between joining SS and resistance or American army. Or, between fighting against invading army (like Russia) and being invader. Everything is always the same.
    - carlosjobim 4y ago
      Soldiers from both sides in every conflict will commit war crimes, including horrible war crimes. That's the grim reality and you can either accept it or put on propaganda blinders. Modern war is hell.
      - watwut 4y ago
        And yet, sone armies commit way more of them then others. Some armies habe those attrocities as mandates, it is their job to commit genocide. Others don't. In some armies you have to participate in others don't. It is just not true that it would all be the same. Complete pacifism is just enabling the biggest genocides that go on while congratulating yourself.
        carlosjobim 4y ago
        "We're invading to defend the people against a brutal oppressor" is the argument always used. By Americans in WWII, by Russia today. Some of the worst war crimes and genocides in history have been committed systematically by the armies you've so far mentioned: Germany, America and Russia. These atrocities have been ordered from the highest leadership in these nations. Modern war is hell and there are no good guys left when it's over. If you believe that, they are recruiting volunteers.
        watwut 4y ago
        Americans did not happened to be the invading brutal oppressor commiting genocide in WWII. Their standard behavior during that time was was remarkably better then behavior of Soviet army which was better then behavior of German army. Your position is that joining Jewish resistance is as bad as joining SS and both are totally the same as being member of an American army.

by chii 4y ago

freilanzer 4y ago

> The only sacrifice one should make is for enrolling in the armed services. God no, this isn't the 1940s.

watwut 4y ago

It heavily depends on which army you are joining and what cause they fight for. Joining army can be step towards supporting atrocities and it can be step towards preventing them. Just like with joining police - in some places it is good thing to do. In others, you are joining another criminal organization.

carlosjobim 4y ago
>Joining army can be step towards supporting atrocities and it can be step towards preventing them. Joining a war will always be supporting atrocities committed by your side, while preventing atrocities committed by the enemy.
- watwut 4y ago
  Yeah, there was no difference between joining SS and resistance or American army. Or, between fighting against invading army (like Russia) and being invader. Everything is always the same.
  - carlosjobim 4y ago
    Soldiers from both sides in every conflict will commit war crimes, including horrible war crimes. That's the grim reality and you can either accept it or put on propaganda blinders. Modern war is hell.
    - watwut 4y ago
      And yet, sone armies commit way more of them then others. Some armies habe those attrocities as mandates, it is their job to commit genocide. Others don't. In some armies you have to participate in others don't. It is just not true that it would all be the same. Complete pacifism is just enabling the biggest genocides that go on while congratulating yourself.
      - carlosjobim 4y ago
        "We're invading to defend the people against a brutal oppressor" is the argument always used. By Americans in WWII, by Russia today. Some of the worst war crimes and genocides in history have been committed systematically by the armies you've so far mentioned: Germany, America and Russia. These atrocities have been ordered from the highest leadership in these nations. Modern war is hell and there are no good guys left when it's over. If you believe that, they are recruiting volunteers.
        watwut 4y ago
        Americans did not happened to be the invading brutal oppressor commiting genocide in WWII. Their standard behavior during that time was was remarkably better then behavior of Soviet army which was better then behavior of German army. Your position is that joining Jewish resistance is as bad as joining SS and both are totally the same as being member of an American army.