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> None of these Android clients would garner any attention at all on iOS Probably because these are open source? iOS developers won't get out of bed to write s

> None of these Android clients would garner any attention at all on iOS Probably because these are open source? iOS developers won't get out of bed to write something unless it's worth their 70%. > Everything feels like a hobby app because everything is. My guy, when people tried taking commercially viable Twitter clients seriously, look at what happened.

rsynnott 4y ago
> Probably because these are open source? Of the four iOS clients he names (Ice Cubes, Tusker, Ivory, Mammoth), Ice Cubes and Tusker are open source.
- smoldesu 4y ago
  Interesting, as far as I can tell both of those apps look less feature-complete than Tusky. Still, thank you for bringing them to my attention.
  - criddell 4y ago
    Features aren’t a good indicator for software quality. I think that’s the point Gruber was trying to make when he linked to the big feature checklist.
    - smoldesu 4y ago
      If so, then his argument boils down to "I don't like Material design", which is fine. It's also subjective though, and as long as Tusky is both feature-complete and intuitive then I don't see how it's a bad Android app.
      - criddell 4y ago
        Janky scrolling isn’t part of material design. It’s all about the crappy UX of Android Mastadon clients. Features aren’t lacking. Polish and craftsmanship is.
        smoldesu 4y ago
        I'm not sure what they're talking about. Tusky feels no different than scrolling in Safari, minus the elastic scrolling at the side of pages.
        MBCook 4y ago
        After noticing someone else wrote a very similar article on an RSS reader on Android the day before, John posted a new article today. It included this: > One thing I learned long ago is that people who prioritize design, UI, and UX in the software they prefer can empathize with and understand the choices made by people who prioritize other factors (e.g. raw feature count, or the ability to tinker with their software at the system level, or software being free-of-charge). But it doesn’t work the other way: most people who prioritize other things can’t fathom why anyone cares deeply about design/UI/UX because they don’t perceive it. I’m curious what you think of it. I’m not trying to imply you’re in ether category.
        eaton 4y ago
        This reminds me of mirror-universe conversations I've had with executives about developer experience for APIs. If an API functions and is technically capable of performing all of the operations that are business-critical, it works and is good; why complain? "Developer Experience" is just a fluffy, hand-wavey kind of mysticism that's so subjective no one can be expected to care about it! And yet.
  - rsynnott 4y ago
    They're both pretty new.; Tusky's been around for five years. I think it's certainly fair to say that Android _did_ have a better open source landscape than iOS for Mastodon until lately (I think on iOS it was mostly just the official client).
    - MBCook 4y ago
      It has absolutely exploded since December or so, slightly before the Twitter 3rd party client shutdown.

rsynnott 4y ago

> Probably because these are open source? Of the four iOS clients he names (Ice Cubes, Tusker, Ivory, Mammoth), Ice Cubes and Tusker are open source.

smoldesu 4y ago
Interesting, as far as I can tell both of those apps look less feature-complete than Tusky. Still, thank you for bringing them to my attention.
- criddell 4y ago
  Features aren’t a good indicator for software quality. I think that’s the point Gruber was trying to make when he linked to the big feature checklist.
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    If so, then his argument boils down to "I don't like Material design", which is fine. It's also subjective though, and as long as Tusky is both feature-complete and intuitive then I don't see how it's a bad Android app.
    - criddell 4y ago
      Janky scrolling isn’t part of material design. It’s all about the crappy UX of Android Mastadon clients. Features aren’t lacking. Polish and craftsmanship is.
      - smoldesu 4y ago
        I'm not sure what they're talking about. Tusky feels no different than scrolling in Safari, minus the elastic scrolling at the side of pages.
        MBCook 4y ago
        After noticing someone else wrote a very similar article on an RSS reader on Android the day before, John posted a new article today. It included this: > One thing I learned long ago is that people who prioritize design, UI, and UX in the software they prefer can empathize with and understand the choices made by people who prioritize other factors (e.g. raw feature count, or the ability to tinker with their software at the system level, or software being free-of-charge). But it doesn’t work the other way: most people who prioritize other things can’t fathom why anyone cares deeply about design/UI/UX because they don’t perceive it. I’m curious what you think of it. I’m not trying to imply you’re in ether category.
        eaton 4y ago
        This reminds me of mirror-universe conversations I've had with executives about developer experience for APIs. If an API functions and is technically capable of performing all of the operations that are business-critical, it works and is good; why complain? "Developer Experience" is just a fluffy, hand-wavey kind of mysticism that's so subjective no one can be expected to care about it! And yet.
- rsynnott 4y ago
  They're both pretty new.; Tusky's been around for five years. I think it's certainly fair to say that Android _did_ have a better open source landscape than iOS for Mastodon until lately (I think on iOS it was mostly just the official client).
  - MBCook 4y ago
    It has absolutely exploded since December or so, slightly before the Twitter 3rd party client shutdown.