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Again this is where we are getting into what it means to own something. Do I own the property or not? If my neighbors want to get together and buy my house fr
by thepasswordis 4y ago
Again this is where we are getting into what it means to own something. Do I own the property or not? If my neighbors want to get together and buy my house from me because they want to do something with it, then they are by all means allowed to do so.
- rjbwork 4y agoNobody in the US, and indeed most of the world, "owns" their property. Try not paying your property taxes, and see where that gets you. You lease the right to usus, mostly fructus, and to some extent abusus from the state.
- avereveard 4y agoEven then that would mean that the state would have a voice, not the neighbors.
- notch898a 4y agoFalse, much of Alaska has no property tax.
- RealityVoid 4y agoI feel that this is a misleading. Property taxes are not leases on property but simply a disincentive to hoarding unused land.
- rjbwork 4y agoMaybe in theory, but functionally it is the same. You don't pay your property taxes, you get a lien, and can eventually, in extreme circumstances, be foreclosed on.
- RealityVoid 4y agoI do not understand your point, really. Obviously, from a legal standpoint, ownership exists. But you say, no, no, no, that's not _reaaaal_ ownership, since I have to pay property taxes. When most people talk about ownership, when the law talks about ownership, it exists, and I think that is enough for it to exist.
- rjbwork 4y agoThat's okay, it requires some knowledge of rather niche economic philosophies. I'd suggest reading into some philosophy of property, labor, and ownership. Specifically in the right-libertarian and left-anarchist traditions. Start with John Locke and Adam Smith, then move into thinkers such as Marx, Proudhon, George (Henry, of Georgism fame), Nozick, Rothbard, and writers on similar topics.
- HDThoreaun 4y agoLVT is a disincentive to hoarding land. Property taxes are incentive to tear buildings on used land down.
- notch898a 4y agoThis is a great example of how framing makes a big difference. If I used the same framing, I would say LVT are an incentive to tear down the land (introduce toxic waste, endangered species that can't legally be disturbed, etc). Or I could say Property taxes are a disincentive to hoarding buildings.
- jonhohle 4y agoEven if you consider property tax that is legally false.
- Supermancho 4y agoI'm not sure if you even understood what you're replying to, since this is pointlessly contrarian. "legally" is an acknowledgement that the ownership is conditional on someone else who has authority about the ownership (ie the practical owner). This is a reasonable point of view, in theory.
- squokko 4y agoNo, you don't own the property. Under what coherent system of thought could you possibly own something that was there before humans existed and will be there after humans are gone, and which you did nothing to create or maintain? Property ownership is a societal construct that we agree to use to improve our lives together. If it's not serving our needs we can change it.
- RealityVoid 4y agoSure, the name of the social construct is ownership. Therefore, you own it. Because of the social construct.
- c22 4y agoI don't know how it works where you live but I spend an insane amount of my time maintaining my property.
- jonhohle 4y agoThat is no different from ownership of anything else, including one’s own body. The government has an interest in property and may tax it, but how is that different from auto registration, income tax, or any other tax liability? Someone can be imprisoned for daily to pay income tax, but the government doesn’t own their job or work.
- AdrianB1 4y agoYou will own nothing and be happy /s
- lotsofpulp 4y ago>Do I own the property or not? Yes, for the duration that you (and your crew) can defend it.