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Amaya specifically disagreed we should use "Browsers"; preferring that everyone could contribute by accessing the web via an "Editor". Calling it a browser show

by ZiiS 4y ago

Amaya specifically disagreed we should use "Browsers"; preferring that everyone could contribute by accessing the web via an "Editor". Calling it a browser shows how far it failed to achieve that.

marcosdumay 4y ago
Nowadays, all the large browsers come with development tools that are much more powerful than Amaya (Firefox even has a developers edition that centers the UX around those tools). People still use them for debugging, not development, because the web is inherently a client-server environment that does not allow development done by the client. This is more of a "what were they thinking?" situation than we actually losing anything.
- slim 4y ago
  the fact it's client-server does not mean there needs to be custom server development. see webdav.
- culi 4y ago
  I think Amaya's vision is much closer to the original vision of the web though. CSS was made with the idea of each user having their own stylesheet in mind so they could browse the web however they wanted. Obviously CSS has evolved way beyond that nowadays and you need an extension on most browsers to even use something like that. But I think there's a value in a project like Amaya making these tools front and center instead of stashing them away in ways only "developers" are meant to use. I'd hope it'd cultivate a sense making the web work the way you want it to work amongst the general userbase I would actually like to see the project reborn some day
goto11 4y ago
Editor-in-the-browser was re-introduced with `contentEditable` in IE6.
- bawolff 4y ago
  No love for netscape composer?
  - anotheraccount9 4y ago
    Netscape (browser, editor, ...) was one of the best thing that came out of this period.
- yamtaddle 4y ago
  Netscape was bundling a full WYSIWG + markup editor with their browser in '97, a few years before IE6 came out. It was kinda separate by my recollection, but still basically felt like part of the browser, though it may have been possible to install the browser stand-alone (it's been too long, I don't remember)
culi 4y ago
Well they still refer to it as a web editor, but I think it's hard for the rest of us, who've only known browsers, to catch up on that

by ZiiS 4y ago

Amaya specifically disagreed we should use "Browsers"; preferring that everyone could contribute by accessing the web via an "Editor". Calling it a browser shows how far it failed to achieve that.

marcosdumay 4y ago

Nowadays, all the large browsers come with development tools that are much more powerful than Amaya (Firefox even has a developers edition that centers the UX around those tools). People still use them for debugging, not development, because the web is inherently a client-server environment that does not allow development done by the client. This is more of a "what were they thinking?" situation than we actually losing anything.

slim 4y ago
the fact it's client-server does not mean there needs to be custom server development. see webdav.
culi 4y ago
I think Amaya's vision is much closer to the original vision of the web though. CSS was made with the idea of each user having their own stylesheet in mind so they could browse the web however they wanted. Obviously CSS has evolved way beyond that nowadays and you need an extension on most browsers to even use something like that. But I think there's a value in a project like Amaya making these tools front and center instead of stashing them away in ways only "developers" are meant to use. I'd hope it'd cultivate a sense making the web work the way you want it to work amongst the general userbase I would actually like to see the project reborn some day

goto11 4y ago

Editor-in-the-browser was re-introduced with `contentEditable` in IE6.

bawolff 4y ago
No love for netscape composer?
- anotheraccount9 4y ago
  Netscape (browser, editor, ...) was one of the best thing that came out of this period.
yamtaddle 4y ago
Netscape was bundling a full WYSIWG + markup editor with their browser in '97, a few years before IE6 came out. It was kinda separate by my recollection, but still basically felt like part of the browser, though it may have been possible to install the browser stand-alone (it's been too long, I don't remember)

culi 4y ago

Well they still refer to it as a web editor, but I think it's hard for the rest of us, who've only known browsers, to catch up on that