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> don’t debate at all, just listen This is what the OP says; while the title of the post is "I want to lose every debate" that's what he says in the end: > I
by bambax 4y ago
> don’t debate at all, just listen
This is what the OP says; while the title of the post is "I want to lose every debate" that's what he says in the end:
> I never want to debate, but if I had to, I would hope to lose.
And I get it, I think; but there is something to be said in favor of debating, not as a competition, but as a method of refining each other's ideas.
Someone exposing a theory of theirs that's apparently well polished is less interesting than people discussing, exchanging ideas and poking and exposing possible holes.
That's what debating should be: not a sport with "winners" and "losers" (what does that even mean in the realm of ideas??) but as a joint effort and journey in search of the truth.
- TheSpiceIsLife 4y agoDiscussion: an act or instance of discussing; consideration or examination by argument, comment, etc., especially to explore solutions; informal debate. Discuss is first recorded in 1300–50; Middle English, either from Anglo-French discusser or directly from Latin discussus “struck asunder, shaken, scattered,” past participle of discutere, equivalent to dis- dis-1 + -cutere (combining form of quatere “to shake, strike”).
- etothepii 4y agoI think this is what I dislike most about Jordan Peterson. He appears to behave as if it's your fault if when you paraphrase what you think he's said back to him is not something he wants to agree with. IMHO, you haven't understood someone if you can't repeat it back to them in your own language, and there's a good probability that this is the fault of the explainer not the explainee.
- Supermancho 4y ago> He appears to behave as if it's your fault if when you paraphrase what you think he's said back to him is not something he wants to agree with. I don't think that's unique to JP. Most people are very bad at paraphrasing without veering into misrepresentation. I'm still working on getting better.
- etothepii 4y agoThat's not what I said. ROFL
- Supermancho 4y ago> That's not what I said. Yes, it is. I quoted you and the source post is unmodified. Ironically, my interpretation may not be what you meant, despite it's simplicity. >> IMHO, you haven't understood someone if you can't repeat it back to them in your own language, and there's a good probability that this is the fault of the explainer not the explainee. So I guess we just talk past each other. Sounds good.
- etothepii 4y agoThe internet is not the best medium for satire I suppose. Hence the ROFL for emphasis.