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For every company forcing a return to the office, there will always be the smaller company that can't pay as well offering fully remote roles. I'll gladly take

For every company forcing a return to the office, there will always be the smaller company that can't pay as well offering fully remote roles. I'll gladly take a pay cut to never be confined to an office again.

charlie0 4y ago
This. If I really care about purchasing power, I'll take the lower salary and move to a lower cost area or country. I'm not going back to an office unless it's my dream job.
- mvc 4y ago
  As someone who lives in a "lower-cost area", consider that the grass may not be greener on the other side. My sister just bought a place in the city. Tiny compared to mine up north. And almost as much. But if the next 10 years are like the last 10, she could likely sell hers and buy my whole street.
  - eYrKEC2 4y ago
    So, live in a shoebox in the city and then what? Completely sever all contact with your in-person social network and start from scratch in a place where you can live like a king? I know that's a choice some folks make, but it seems odd to me.
    - ed25519FUUU 4y ago
      Stay in the city while your existing friends group fractures and people slowly move away from you as their family grows.
      - eYrKEC2 4y ago
        That's probably true. I just wouldn't wait to move out of the city for my shoebox to appreciate.
  - lucasmullens 4y ago
    > But if the next 10 years are like the last 10, she could likely sell hers and buy my whole street. And yet, on _her_ street, she'll still only be able to afford that tiny place, no matter the market. Only works if you plan on leaving in the city at some point, and many don't.
  - judge2020 4y ago
    The middle ground is to live in a suburb 50+ miles out from a city center. You can still go into the city for flights and events, but you can often find homes on 1+ acre of land that will appreciate in value since urban sprawl isn't going away anytime soon.
    - charlie0 4y ago
      Bingo.
cmrdporcupine 4y ago
Yeah what I'd say is this: I miss working co-located with my human coworkers. But I don't miss them enough to wreck my back and risk my sanity & health commuting again. And some of the people I was working with? I'm glad not to be seeing anymore anyways. Now... my coworkers are from all over the world, they're all really awesome and smart so far, and I feel super lucky they chose me to work with them. I'd probably be more productive in the same physical space as them, but that also wouldn't be likely to ever happen. Companies doing fully remote properly get access to a much more diverse and broad labour pool. They can create combinations of people that never would have been feasible before.

charlie0 4y ago

This. If I really care about purchasing power, I'll take the lower salary and move to a lower cost area or country. I'm not going back to an office unless it's my dream job.

mvc 4y ago
As someone who lives in a "lower-cost area", consider that the grass may not be greener on the other side. My sister just bought a place in the city. Tiny compared to mine up north. And almost as much. But if the next 10 years are like the last 10, she could likely sell hers and buy my whole street.
- eYrKEC2 4y ago
  So, live in a shoebox in the city and then what? Completely sever all contact with your in-person social network and start from scratch in a place where you can live like a king? I know that's a choice some folks make, but it seems odd to me.
  - ed25519FUUU 4y ago
    Stay in the city while your existing friends group fractures and people slowly move away from you as their family grows.
    - eYrKEC2 4y ago
      That's probably true. I just wouldn't wait to move out of the city for my shoebox to appreciate.
- lucasmullens 4y ago
  > But if the next 10 years are like the last 10, she could likely sell hers and buy my whole street. And yet, on _her_ street, she'll still only be able to afford that tiny place, no matter the market. Only works if you plan on leaving in the city at some point, and many don't.
- judge2020 4y ago
  The middle ground is to live in a suburb 50+ miles out from a city center. You can still go into the city for flights and events, but you can often find homes on 1+ acre of land that will appreciate in value since urban sprawl isn't going away anytime soon.
  - charlie0 4y ago
    Bingo.

cmrdporcupine 4y ago

Yeah what I'd say is this: I miss working co-located with my human coworkers. But I don't miss them enough to wreck my back and risk my sanity & health commuting again. And some of the people I was working with? I'm glad not to be seeing anymore anyways. Now... my coworkers are from all over the world, they're all really awesome and smart so far, and I feel super lucky they chose me to work with them. I'd probably be more productive in the same physical space as them, but that also wouldn't be likely to ever happen. Companies doing fully remote properly get access to a much more diverse and broad labour pool. They can create combinations of people that never would have been feasible before.