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It's a bloody job. I have no right to a job. You have no right to a job. I just maintain and grow my skills and demonstrate my value as best I can until the day

It's a bloody job. I have no right to a job. You have no right to a job. I just maintain and grow my skills and demonstrate my value as best I can until the day I'm no longer needed. Then on to the next thing. Psychological safety doesn't exist.

shellothere 4y ago
Interestingly there seem to be (at least) 2 schools of thought popular in the US: 1. I have no right to a job. I should earn one myself, or make my own thing. Pull myself up by my bootstraps. Etc. 2. Business owners and landlords are the ruling class. They have an obligation to support us in the form of jobs or housing. Etc.
- badpun 4y ago
  Must be infuriating to belong to the first category, build a business out of nothing, and then have a lot of people from the second category come, demanding you support them, because "you're rich!".
mejutoco 4y ago
Article 23,24,25 of the universal declaration of rights > Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment. > Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection. > Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay. > Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control. I know reality often does not match, but if we are talking about rights, surely this document is relevant. https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-huma...
- mariusor 4y ago
  I'm pretty sure that the first part of the quote doesn't mean what you're implying it does. The right to work and free choice of employment does not make one safe against not being offered a job or being fired from one.
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- atlgator 4y ago
  Not sure to what extent the United States acknowledges such things from the UN, but for our purposes let's say it does. An individual may have a right to work, but business owners also have a right to employ who they want (barring any unlawful/discriminatory practices). Put differently, losing your job does not infringe on your right to work, you just need to find someone else to work for. An individual's right to work and earn a meaningful living ends where others' rights begin. No one is obligated to do anything for you outside of relevant laws. It's on the individual to pursue work and a meaningful living.
  - mejutoco 4y ago
    It seems the US is committed to it (source: https://br.usembassy.gov/united-states-remains-committed-to-universal-declaration-of-human-rights/ https://br.usembassy.gov/united-states-remains-committed-to-...) I suspected the focus would be on the first paragraph, but nobody focused on the last paragraph > Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control. This seems to contradict, at least partly, the man-eats-man attitude of no right for work that OP was expressing.

shellothere 4y ago

Interestingly there seem to be (at least) 2 schools of thought popular in the US: 1. I have no right to a job. I should earn one myself, or make my own thing. Pull myself up by my bootstraps. Etc. 2. Business owners and landlords are the ruling class. They have an obligation to support us in the form of jobs or housing. Etc.

badpun 4y ago
Must be infuriating to belong to the first category, build a business out of nothing, and then have a lot of people from the second category come, demanding you support them, because "you're rich!".

mejutoco 4y ago

Article 23,24,25 of the universal declaration of rights > Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment. > Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection. > Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay. > Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control. I know reality often does not match, but if we are talking about rights, surely this document is relevant. https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-huma...

mariusor 4y ago
I'm pretty sure that the first part of the quote doesn't mean what you're implying it does. The right to work and free choice of employment does not make one safe against not being offered a job or being fired from one.
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atlgator 4y ago
Not sure to what extent the United States acknowledges such things from the UN, but for our purposes let's say it does. An individual may have a right to work, but business owners also have a right to employ who they want (barring any unlawful/discriminatory practices). Put differently, losing your job does not infringe on your right to work, you just need to find someone else to work for. An individual's right to work and earn a meaningful living ends where others' rights begin. No one is obligated to do anything for you outside of relevant laws. It's on the individual to pursue work and a meaningful living.
- mejutoco 4y ago
  It seems the US is committed to it (source: https://br.usembassy.gov/united-states-remains-committed-to-universal-declaration-of-human-rights/ https://br.usembassy.gov/united-states-remains-committed-to-...) I suspected the focus would be on the first paragraph, but nobody focused on the last paragraph > Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control. This seems to contradict, at least partly, the man-eats-man attitude of no right for work that OP was expressing.