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Most of that community appears to be based on woo and bad analysis of science/biology, so I imagine they'd likely dismiss this study out of hand regardless. Bu

by girvo 4y ago

Most of that community appears to be based on woo and bad analysis of science/biology, so I imagine they'd likely dismiss this study out of hand regardless. But also, we shouldn't forget this: > The studies from the United States and Australia do little to answer these critical questions — but they do open a new avenue for research This isn't a fully understood area of research yet.

shagie 4y ago
How a New Meme Exposes the Far-Right Roots of #NoNutNovember - https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/coomer-meme-no-nut-november-nofap-908676/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/coomer... > Yet it would be naive to ignore that there’s significant overlap between the general ideology behind NoFap — and, to a degree, No Nut November — and that of the far right, which has increasingly coopted the principles of masturbation abstinence. Because the challenge is associated with abstaining from porn, some people associated with the movement have taken the extra step of harassing adult performers on social media, giving it an additional layer of troubling implications. “In the past [No Nut November] has always been like, ‘Oh, look at this ridiculous thing some people are participating in,'” says adult performer and director Casey Calvert. “This year, people [in the industry] are talking about, ‘Oh, actually this is connected to the far right and maybe we shouldn’t just be saying hahaha, No Nut November.'” Was UK Mass Murderer Radicalized in Anti-Porn Groups? - https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/202108/was-uk-mass-murderer-radicalized-in-anti-porn-groups https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/2021... > Like the incel groups, online discussions of ways to stop masturbating or cease watching pornography have also been identified as groups filled with hatred towards women, homophobia, antisemitism, and threats of violence. In 2019, I appeared on The Daily Show, describing how these groups radicalize young men by teaching them to fear masturbation. > Since that appearance, I've regularly received threats, death threats, and intimidating emails, including troubling messages from Gavin McInnes, founder of The Proud Boys. Recent research examining the discussions in these anti-porn and anti-masturbation groups has repeatedly documented that they thrive on the rejection of science and embrace extremely conservative, highly religious themes. These groups promote abstinence from pornography and masturbation as ways for men to become more masculine and successfully attract mates. As you might imagine, there is a significant overlap between the incel and these anti-porn/anti-masturbation groups. That episode is https://www.cc.com/video/bgws7v/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-why-is-the-alt-right-so-angry https://www.cc.com/video/bgws7v/the-daily-show-with-trevor-n...
- lucb1e 4y ago
  > the Far-Right Roots of #NoNutNovember ...and oil companies were among the first to predict global warming and might have coined CO2 budgets. Who came up with something doesn't really matter for the thing's merit, especially when it lives a life of its own. People fill in nonutnovember as they want, not per whatever extremist views. I don't really see the point of sidetracking the conversation into a political corner.
heavyset_go 4y ago
Nofap is just secular Puritanism with its canon replaced with biotruths, poor interpretations of evolutionary biology and the ramblings of people driven insane by celibacy.
- lucb1e 4y ago
  I haven't been there in a while so unless something recently changed, I don't know where you're getting this from. Care to link any such material being posted and supported by others in the community?
  - heavyset_go 4y ago
    I don't have a desire to go through that community again. I'm basing this off of what I saw ~5 years ago and on the people in my life who were part of that community. Your experience could be different.
- shrimp_emoji 4y ago
  "I do not avoid women, Mandrake, but I do deny them my essence." (1:30) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0he-LZNzVg0 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0he-LZNzVg0
_yb2s 4y ago
I don’t need research to listen to my own body and notice that I have a lot more energy, confidence, and enthusiasm for life with nofap. The difference is night and day. I noticed this on my own before ever hearing about nofap, and so have numerous cultures and religions. The dismissive attitude you have is one I have seen a lot, and only makes sense to me if your body works differently from mine. Is there is some slightly increased cancer risk necessary to enjoy life, so be it.
- machinawhite 4y ago
  I just find it really weird that a kink I had was made into something mainstream. Now every time I want to talk about my favorite activities with dominant women I am going to come across as some weirdo who browses reddit.
- altdataseller 4y ago
  Exactly, research has its place, but sometimes people put way too much importance on it. The research that matters the most is your own personal experience and trial and error. Do it for a few months and see what it's like. That's all there is to it, and this applies to a lot of things too: a new workout regimen, a diet, cold showers, productivity hacks, biohacking, etc. Stop arguing over whether there's scientific evidence for something, and just try it yourself
  - _yb2s 4y ago
    Absolutely, this “scientism” attitude that elevates peer reviewed research as the only way of learning anything, and calls everything else “woo” is silly. I mostly see it among non scientists that have made science a sort of religion. As an academic PI, I see how the sausage is made and don’t have so much faith. Moreover, direct observation, personal experimentation, and hunches are how good scientists come up with the ideas for studies in the first place. With human sexuality in particular there are so many cultural taboos that very little research has been done. Limiting your understanding of your own sexuality to peer reviewed research is just silly, you will miss millions of obvious things, and also miss the fact that people are individuals and experience and respond differently to the same things.

by girvo 4y ago

shagie 4y ago

How a New Meme Exposes the Far-Right Roots of #NoNutNovember - https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/coomer-meme-no-nut-november-nofap-908676/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/coomer... > Yet it would be naive to ignore that there’s significant overlap between the general ideology behind NoFap — and, to a degree, No Nut November — and that of the far right, which has increasingly coopted the principles of masturbation abstinence. Because the challenge is associated with abstaining from porn, some people associated with the movement have taken the extra step of harassing adult performers on social media, giving it an additional layer of troubling implications. “In the past [No Nut November] has always been like, ‘Oh, look at this ridiculous thing some people are participating in,'” says adult performer and director Casey Calvert. “This year, people [in the industry] are talking about, ‘Oh, actually this is connected to the far right and maybe we shouldn’t just be saying hahaha, No Nut November.'” Was UK Mass Murderer Radicalized in Anti-Porn Groups? - https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/202108/was-uk-mass-murderer-radicalized-in-anti-porn-groups https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/2021... > Like the incel groups, online discussions of ways to stop masturbating or cease watching pornography have also been identified as groups filled with hatred towards women, homophobia, antisemitism, and threats of violence. In 2019, I appeared on The Daily Show, describing how these groups radicalize young men by teaching them to fear masturbation. > Since that appearance, I've regularly received threats, death threats, and intimidating emails, including troubling messages from Gavin McInnes, founder of The Proud Boys. Recent research examining the discussions in these anti-porn and anti-masturbation groups has repeatedly documented that they thrive on the rejection of science and embrace extremely conservative, highly religious themes. These groups promote abstinence from pornography and masturbation as ways for men to become more masculine and successfully attract mates. As you might imagine, there is a significant overlap between the incel and these anti-porn/anti-masturbation groups. That episode is https://www.cc.com/video/bgws7v/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-why-is-the-alt-right-so-angry https://www.cc.com/video/bgws7v/the-daily-show-with-trevor-n...

lucb1e 4y ago
> the Far-Right Roots of #NoNutNovember ...and oil companies were among the first to predict global warming and might have coined CO2 budgets. Who came up with something doesn't really matter for the thing's merit, especially when it lives a life of its own. People fill in nonutnovember as they want, not per whatever extremist views. I don't really see the point of sidetracking the conversation into a political corner.

heavyset_go 4y ago

Nofap is just secular Puritanism with its canon replaced with biotruths, poor interpretations of evolutionary biology and the ramblings of people driven insane by celibacy.

lucb1e 4y ago
I haven't been there in a while so unless something recently changed, I don't know where you're getting this from. Care to link any such material being posted and supported by others in the community?
- heavyset_go 4y ago
  I don't have a desire to go through that community again. I'm basing this off of what I saw ~5 years ago and on the people in my life who were part of that community. Your experience could be different.
shrimp_emoji 4y ago
"I do not avoid women, Mandrake, but I do deny them my essence." (1:30) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0he-LZNzVg0 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0he-LZNzVg0

_yb2s 4y ago

I don’t need research to listen to my own body and notice that I have a lot more energy, confidence, and enthusiasm for life with nofap. The difference is night and day. I noticed this on my own before ever hearing about nofap, and so have numerous cultures and religions. The dismissive attitude you have is one I have seen a lot, and only makes sense to me if your body works differently from mine. Is there is some slightly increased cancer risk necessary to enjoy life, so be it.

machinawhite 4y ago
I just find it really weird that a kink I had was made into something mainstream. Now every time I want to talk about my favorite activities with dominant women I am going to come across as some weirdo who browses reddit.
altdataseller 4y ago
Exactly, research has its place, but sometimes people put way too much importance on it. The research that matters the most is your own personal experience and trial and error. Do it for a few months and see what it's like. That's all there is to it, and this applies to a lot of things too: a new workout regimen, a diet, cold showers, productivity hacks, biohacking, etc. Stop arguing over whether there's scientific evidence for something, and just try it yourself
- _yb2s 4y ago
  Absolutely, this “scientism” attitude that elevates peer reviewed research as the only way of learning anything, and calls everything else “woo” is silly. I mostly see it among non scientists that have made science a sort of religion. As an academic PI, I see how the sausage is made and don’t have so much faith. Moreover, direct observation, personal experimentation, and hunches are how good scientists come up with the ideas for studies in the first place. With human sexuality in particular there are so many cultural taboos that very little research has been done. Limiting your understanding of your own sexuality to peer reviewed research is just silly, you will miss millions of obvious things, and also miss the fact that people are individuals and experience and respond differently to the same things.