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Dont show this to the nofap community

by altdataseller 4y ago

rideontime 4y ago
I disagree; as a vulnerable community, they should know the truth.
- Espressosaurus 4y ago
  They're worried about their precious bodily fluids. I don't expect contrary information to penetrate their bubble.
loeg 4y ago
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- mouse_ 4y ago
  It's a fetish.
- lucb1e 4y ago
  I only ever heard cult used in the sense of an organised group that is lead to believe harmful and untrue things, but checking the dictionary, it can also just be "great devotion to [e.g., an] idea" (merriam webster) which could be said of nearly any subreddit. In what way do you mean it? Besides the correlation in this study, is there anything particularly harmful in the same way that a more stereotypical cult (KKK is the first that comes to mind, probably a relatively extreme example but I don't know that many) is typically considered harmful?
  - maximus-decimus 4y ago
    People in the nofap community claim that abstaining from masturbation gives them "super powers". From Google, a cult is "a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object." They venerate non-masturbation as if it were a deity able to grant them divine powers if they worship it enough. Or at least that's how it sounds like when you hear them talk about it.
    - lucb1e 4y ago
      That's not at all the impression I got. Never masturbating ever might be seen as good by some there, but for most it's a temporary means to an end than the end goal. Helping get past porn addictions (by stopping cold turkey for a while), improving the relationship with your partner (by reducing or stopping to masturbate and see how that affects it), and being supportive of whatever people's goals are is what the community seemed like to me (but that's admittedly going off years-old memories). Hence I'm quite confused by all the outright hate here.
      - SXX 4y ago
        Hate to weird niche communities is pretty much like hate to Linkedin: because it full of cringe, poor quality marketing and just pure BS. Even if you registered on there you won't be using it 99% of time until you need to find a new job. Or unless Linkedin is part of your actual job because you're HR / sales person. It's great that it might help someone, but it doesn't mean we all should accept everything this community produce is something good and normal.
    - _yb2s 4y ago
      They only believe it gives them “super powers” in the same way getting free from a heroin addiction would feel like gaining super powers. Normal health feels super when you previously lacked it.
      - girvo 4y ago
        > in the same way getting free from a heroin addiction would feel like gaining super powers As someone who has done exactly that and is involved heavily in recovery communities, no one would describe sobriety as "gaining super powers", and I'm sick of people conflating porn addiction and heroin addiction as if they have anything in common. They really do not, and anyone who does has obviously never experienced opioid dependence. "But but but dopamine pathways" -- if you don't understand the difference in orders of magnitude between exogenous chemicals that directly operate on those pathways, and that which your body and brain can create on their own, I don't know what to tell you.
  - loeg 4y ago
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- Loveaway 4y ago
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  - dang 4y ago
    Yikes! Please don't break the site guidelines like this, regardless of how wrong other people are or you feel they are. We ban accounts that do this. You may not owe (non-)masturbators better, but you owe this community (much) better if you're participating in it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
girvo 4y ago
Most of that community appears to be based on woo and bad analysis of science/biology, so I imagine they'd likely dismiss this study out of hand regardless. But also, we shouldn't forget this: > The studies from the United States and Australia do little to answer these critical questions — but they do open a new avenue for research This isn't a fully understood area of research yet.
- shagie 4y ago
  How a New Meme Exposes the Far-Right Roots of #NoNutNovember - https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/coomer-meme-no-nut-november-nofap-908676/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/coomer... > Yet it would be naive to ignore that there’s significant overlap between the general ideology behind NoFap — and, to a degree, No Nut November — and that of the far right, which has increasingly coopted the principles of masturbation abstinence. Because the challenge is associated with abstaining from porn, some people associated with the movement have taken the extra step of harassing adult performers on social media, giving it an additional layer of troubling implications. “In the past [No Nut November] has always been like, ‘Oh, look at this ridiculous thing some people are participating in,'” says adult performer and director Casey Calvert. “This year, people [in the industry] are talking about, ‘Oh, actually this is connected to the far right and maybe we shouldn’t just be saying hahaha, No Nut November.'” Was UK Mass Murderer Radicalized in Anti-Porn Groups? - https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/202108/was-uk-mass-murderer-radicalized-in-anti-porn-groups https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/2021... > Like the incel groups, online discussions of ways to stop masturbating or cease watching pornography have also been identified as groups filled with hatred towards women, homophobia, antisemitism, and threats of violence. In 2019, I appeared on The Daily Show, describing how these groups radicalize young men by teaching them to fear masturbation. > Since that appearance, I've regularly received threats, death threats, and intimidating emails, including troubling messages from Gavin McInnes, founder of The Proud Boys. Recent research examining the discussions in these anti-porn and anti-masturbation groups has repeatedly documented that they thrive on the rejection of science and embrace extremely conservative, highly religious themes. These groups promote abstinence from pornography and masturbation as ways for men to become more masculine and successfully attract mates. As you might imagine, there is a significant overlap between the incel and these anti-porn/anti-masturbation groups. That episode is https://www.cc.com/video/bgws7v/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-why-is-the-alt-right-so-angry https://www.cc.com/video/bgws7v/the-daily-show-with-trevor-n...
SnowHill9902 4y ago
There’s no problem with nofap if you get enough little kittens.
threadweaver34 4y ago
The one point they have is that internet porn can be a problem for some people, but there's a difference between having to use your imagination and abstaining entirely.
prmoustache 4y ago
Do they really exist? And if so do they actually apply a nofap policy?
sph 4y ago
When I'm in the mood of reading a bunch of smug nerds pontificating and preaching, I click on any popsci or diet-related article on HN. Never fails to entertain. Nofap like many things has been turned into a brand, and even politicised to the point some idiots attack it saying it's far right ideology. On the other hand there are teenagers with serious porn-related issues that think nofap will turn them into superhumans. But the smug nerd on the internet doesn't stop to consider the nofap movement that's become a caricature of its former self, still is a major indicator of the emotional and physical problems porn is causing to many men and women. It's an epidemic. Go crank all you want because a popsci article said so, but if you haven't seen how widespread and destructive porn addiction is, this must be your first day on the Internet. I already imagine the retort "well, just don't watch porn then." Because only idiots and weak-willed people get addicted. Sorry, I'm in a cranky mood because I've struggled with porn addiction myself, I have had someone confess they suffer from it just a few hours ago, and I'm bitter how what was a porn addiction support group like nofap managed to turn itself into a joke—and they have themselves to blame, yet porn still is something people laugh about for internet karma. /rant
- EGreg 4y ago
  “Sorry, I’m in a cranky mood” Made me look up the word cranky and found “crankshaft” - a shaft driven by a crank that turns reciprocating motion into rotating motion. Legit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reciprocating_motion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reciprocating_motion
  - sph 4y ago
    You might say the back and forth in this comment thread has spun me out of control.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - mrexroad 4y ago
    Please save comments like this for Reddit. Seriously, someone is discussing struggles with an addiction and you’re making jokes. Not legit at all.
TheFreim 4y ago
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Dont show this to the nofap community

rideontime 4y ago

I disagree; as a vulnerable community, they should know the truth.

Espressosaurus 4y ago
They're worried about their precious bodily fluids. I don't expect contrary information to penetrate their bubble.

loeg 4y ago

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mouse_ 4y ago
It's a fetish.
lucb1e 4y ago
I only ever heard cult used in the sense of an organised group that is lead to believe harmful and untrue things, but checking the dictionary, it can also just be "great devotion to [e.g., an] idea" (merriam webster) which could be said of nearly any subreddit. In what way do you mean it? Besides the correlation in this study, is there anything particularly harmful in the same way that a more stereotypical cult (KKK is the first that comes to mind, probably a relatively extreme example but I don't know that many) is typically considered harmful?
- maximus-decimus 4y ago
  People in the nofap community claim that abstaining from masturbation gives them "super powers". From Google, a cult is "a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object." They venerate non-masturbation as if it were a deity able to grant them divine powers if they worship it enough. Or at least that's how it sounds like when you hear them talk about it.
  - lucb1e 4y ago
    That's not at all the impression I got. Never masturbating ever might be seen as good by some there, but for most it's a temporary means to an end than the end goal. Helping get past porn addictions (by stopping cold turkey for a while), improving the relationship with your partner (by reducing or stopping to masturbate and see how that affects it), and being supportive of whatever people's goals are is what the community seemed like to me (but that's admittedly going off years-old memories). Hence I'm quite confused by all the outright hate here.
    - SXX 4y ago
      Hate to weird niche communities is pretty much like hate to Linkedin: because it full of cringe, poor quality marketing and just pure BS. Even if you registered on there you won't be using it 99% of time until you need to find a new job. Or unless Linkedin is part of your actual job because you're HR / sales person. It's great that it might help someone, but it doesn't mean we all should accept everything this community produce is something good and normal.
  - _yb2s 4y ago
    They only believe it gives them “super powers” in the same way getting free from a heroin addiction would feel like gaining super powers. Normal health feels super when you previously lacked it.
    - girvo 4y ago
      > in the same way getting free from a heroin addiction would feel like gaining super powers As someone who has done exactly that and is involved heavily in recovery communities, no one would describe sobriety as "gaining super powers", and I'm sick of people conflating porn addiction and heroin addiction as if they have anything in common. They really do not, and anyone who does has obviously never experienced opioid dependence. "But but but dopamine pathways" -- if you don't understand the difference in orders of magnitude between exogenous chemicals that directly operate on those pathways, and that which your body and brain can create on their own, I don't know what to tell you.
- loeg 4y ago
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Loveaway 4y ago
[flagged]
- dang 4y ago
  Yikes! Please don't break the site guidelines like this, regardless of how wrong other people are or you feel they are. We ban accounts that do this. You may not owe (non-)masturbators better, but you owe this community (much) better if you're participating in it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

girvo 4y ago

Most of that community appears to be based on woo and bad analysis of science/biology, so I imagine they'd likely dismiss this study out of hand regardless. But also, we shouldn't forget this: > The studies from the United States and Australia do little to answer these critical questions — but they do open a new avenue for research This isn't a fully understood area of research yet.

shagie 4y ago
How a New Meme Exposes the Far-Right Roots of #NoNutNovember - https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/coomer-meme-no-nut-november-nofap-908676/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/coomer... > Yet it would be naive to ignore that there’s significant overlap between the general ideology behind NoFap — and, to a degree, No Nut November — and that of the far right, which has increasingly coopted the principles of masturbation abstinence. Because the challenge is associated with abstaining from porn, some people associated with the movement have taken the extra step of harassing adult performers on social media, giving it an additional layer of troubling implications. “In the past [No Nut November] has always been like, ‘Oh, look at this ridiculous thing some people are participating in,'” says adult performer and director Casey Calvert. “This year, people [in the industry] are talking about, ‘Oh, actually this is connected to the far right and maybe we shouldn’t just be saying hahaha, No Nut November.'” Was UK Mass Murderer Radicalized in Anti-Porn Groups? - https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/202108/was-uk-mass-murderer-radicalized-in-anti-porn-groups https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/2021... > Like the incel groups, online discussions of ways to stop masturbating or cease watching pornography have also been identified as groups filled with hatred towards women, homophobia, antisemitism, and threats of violence. In 2019, I appeared on The Daily Show, describing how these groups radicalize young men by teaching them to fear masturbation. > Since that appearance, I've regularly received threats, death threats, and intimidating emails, including troubling messages from Gavin McInnes, founder of The Proud Boys. Recent research examining the discussions in these anti-porn and anti-masturbation groups has repeatedly documented that they thrive on the rejection of science and embrace extremely conservative, highly religious themes. These groups promote abstinence from pornography and masturbation as ways for men to become more masculine and successfully attract mates. As you might imagine, there is a significant overlap between the incel and these anti-porn/anti-masturbation groups. That episode is https://www.cc.com/video/bgws7v/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-why-is-the-alt-right-so-angry https://www.cc.com/video/bgws7v/the-daily-show-with-trevor-n...

SnowHill9902 4y ago

There’s no problem with nofap if you get enough little kittens.

threadweaver34 4y ago

The one point they have is that internet porn can be a problem for some people, but there's a difference between having to use your imagination and abstaining entirely.

prmoustache 4y ago

Do they really exist? And if so do they actually apply a nofap policy?

sph 4y ago

When I'm in the mood of reading a bunch of smug nerds pontificating and preaching, I click on any popsci or diet-related article on HN. Never fails to entertain. Nofap like many things has been turned into a brand, and even politicised to the point some idiots attack it saying it's far right ideology. On the other hand there are teenagers with serious porn-related issues that think nofap will turn them into superhumans. But the smug nerd on the internet doesn't stop to consider the nofap movement that's become a caricature of its former self, still is a major indicator of the emotional and physical problems porn is causing to many men and women. It's an epidemic. Go crank all you want because a popsci article said so, but if you haven't seen how widespread and destructive porn addiction is, this must be your first day on the Internet. I already imagine the retort "well, just don't watch porn then." Because only idiots and weak-willed people get addicted. Sorry, I'm in a cranky mood because I've struggled with porn addiction myself, I have had someone confess they suffer from it just a few hours ago, and I'm bitter how what was a porn addiction support group like nofap managed to turn itself into a joke—and they have themselves to blame, yet porn still is something people laugh about for internet karma. /rant

EGreg 4y ago
“Sorry, I’m in a cranky mood” Made me look up the word cranky and found “crankshaft” - a shaft driven by a crank that turns reciprocating motion into rotating motion. Legit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reciprocating_motion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reciprocating_motion
- sph 4y ago
  You might say the back and forth in this comment thread has spun me out of control.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- mrexroad 4y ago
  Please save comments like this for Reddit. Seriously, someone is discussing struggles with an addiction and you’re making jokes. Not legit at all.

TheFreim 4y ago

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