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Why do people predicts such things? Why aren't your working towards a peaceful solution instead?
by wheelerof4te 4y ago
Why do people predicts such things? Why aren't your working towards a peaceful solution instead?
- rcme 4y agoWhat is a peaceful solution?
- Overtonwindow 4y agoA dramatic and sudden coup that overthrows the communist party of China, and elects a free and democratic government.
- mr90210 4y agoAs if democratic governments don't start wars. Yeah right.
- Ekaros 4y agoIf they are not declared are they wars?
- CogitoCogito 4y ago> If they are not declared are they wars? I'm not sure if this is sarcasm, but yes of course they are.
- wheelerof4te 4y agoIf history is the guide, the most "democratic" governemnt on the planet has so far started the most wars. It seems like, the more democratic you are, the more wars youstart. Except, the USA is trully a Republic. Figures, same as Rome.
- aintgonnatakeit 4y ago[flagged]
- wheelerof4te 4y agoIt's a fact. Deal with it.
- LarryMullins 4y agoElsewhere in this discussion you are blaming America for Russia's decision to start a war with Ukraine. Obviously you have been steeping in authoritarian anti-American propaganda. You should probably stop doing that.
- yucky 4y agoAcknowledging the role of the US State Dept & CIA in the 2014 coup in Ukraine, doesn't require thinking Putin is a saint or even justified. But denying our role in the coup is denying reality.
- netsharc 4y ago[flagged]
- mr90210 4y ago“Ego protection” Almost as deep to a person as religion.
- zug_zug 4y agoWhat wars has canada started, eh?
- wheelerof4te 4y ago[flagged]
- CogitoCogito 4y ago> How about, overthrowing the traitor puppet government in Taiwan and peacefully uniting with the mainland? > Oh, and yeeting the Yankies out of Taiwan. You are calling for China to go to war with Taiwan and to call it peace. Why not just be open about it? What's the purpose of pretending you're advocating peace when you're clearly advocating for war?
- jeoqn 4y ago[flagged]
- rcme 4y agoAre coups typically peaceful?
- mr90210 4y agoAlmost never.
- Overtonwindow 4y agoQuite a number of nonviolent revolutions have occured. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_revolution
- LarryMullins 4y agoRelatively so. The Romanian Revolution in 1989 killed less than two thousand people (including Ceaușescu and his wife, who's well deserved executions were the last executions in Romanian history.) And what was the cost of peace? Ceaușescu and his wife killed far more than 2000 Romanians every year with their brutal communist regime.
- mytailorisrich 4y agoActually I don't think that's a good scenario for the US as, if anything, that'd ultimately make China a more formidable adversary and reunification with Taiwan more likely (which the US and Japan do not want for strategic reasons).
- turbobooster 4y agoTikTok dance collabs
- worldsavior 4y agoBecause there never will be.
- wheelerof4te 4y agoFor starters, how about stop provoking China using military drills (and assistance!) with Taiwan and sending carriers through Sout China Sea?
- LarryMullins 4y ago>Abandon Taiwan How about No.
- wheelerof4te 4y agoWhy not? What is there to gain? EDIT: Except WWIII?
- AndrewPGameDev 4y agoWe obviously can't just let tyrants like Xi invade another country. Furthermore, if China invaded Taiwan it would be China starting WWIII not America.
- smcl 4y agoThis user is way too far down the rabbit hole to be persuaded by mere trifling matters such as “facts” or “the events that actually happened”, they look beyond that into the unprovable unknown and concoct a fantasy reality. People like this see Russia invading Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk in 2014 and go “ah-ha, clearly the work of the USA”. They see Russia launch a full scale invasion in 2022, and see a secret USA/NATO plot to destabilise Russia. They see Trump losing an election and deduce that it must have been some pro-war nefarious deep state trickery. They are broken, unless you want to have a bit of fun winding them up a bit you would have a more enriching conversation with a brick wall :-)
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- tomrod 4y agoTypically: - Budget - Seen as a leading voice - True conviction Any one of the three are enough.
- whynotminot 4y agoHe's a man of war. It's his job to prepare those under his command for non-peaceful scenarios. He would be failing at this if he did not instill discipline and rigor into the forces he's responsible for. It starts with putting them in the mindset for battle. It's not his job to make peace. It's his job to put a well-honed weapon into the hands of the Statesman back in Washington. It is their purview to actually preserve the peace through diplomacy. But make no mistake, the peace starts with China understanding that the weapon in-hand is sharp and ready.
- seanmcdirmid 4y agoThe guy said war was possible, well, duh, it’s always possible. Is it more likely? Ya, if China makes a military play for Taiwan, the USA is most definitely getting involved (but you think Russia’s failure in the Ukraine would have dissuaded them?). It would be dumb for America to assume no war is possible as dumb as it would be for America to instigate that war themselves.
- wheelerof4te 4y agoWhat is the USA's goal in Taiwan? Why should USA risk WWIII because of it? And what is the USA even doing in China's sphere of influence, if not provoke? Do you see Chinese shipps patrolling the Mexican bay?
- whynotminot 4y agoUSA's goal is Taiwan that continues to govern itself freely. This has been stated many times over. China's sphere of influence? Are you also an apologist for Russia's adventures within their claimed "sphere of influence" ?
- wheelerof4te 4y agoI see how the Ukraine is governing itself "freely", ever since the coup in 2014th.
- Lio 4y agoSi vis pacem, para bellum. That's sue for peace, prepare for war and it's as true now as when it was first written.
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- watwut 4y agoThat phrase tends to be mainly popular in societies that starts the wars tho. Like, neonazi like to tattoo it. So, imo, that phrase primary serves to get ready for violence you intend to start, all the while you are convincing yourself your intentions are good and you are just a victim of circumstances.
- wheelerof4te 4y agoImagine the wealth of the Western countries if they did not start any war ever. Yeah, I can't either.
- throwanem 4y agoThat's "If you wish for peace, prepare for war." It's good advice; all else equal, the visibly weak are more often assaulted than the visibly strong. But it can be taken to excess; it's one thing to carry oneself as if one means business, and quite another to go everywhere with one's finger on the trigger of a shotgun with a chambered shell. After a certain point, you make people feel they need to defend themselves from you.
- LarryMullins 4y agoThe US has been working towards peace with China since 1972. These predictions of imminent war are the culmination of those decades of effort.
- echelon 4y agoThe fate of Taiwan sets the geopolitical and economic tone for the remainder of the century. Whichever side wins (if there is a clear victor) will see more of the world shift alliances and trade to them. I wrote a little about it here [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34418600 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34418600
- trashtester 4y agoIt might set the tone for 20-40 years, not 75 years. And it may do it in different ways than you may think. Should the US win such a war, it may cause China to go even more militaristic than they currently are, and seek a rematch in 2050, or so. That's what happened after WW1, and there are plenty of cases throughout history of countries losing a war going for a rematch 1-2 generations later. And IF there is a rematch in 2050, even if China loses again, the economic costs of two such conflicts may drain both countries to such a degree that a new power emerges as dominant. India would be the most likely candidate, but by the end of the century, one could even imagine a rejuvenated Europe
- NicoJuicy 4y agoYeah, that worked out great with Russia. Peace by trade failed.
- wheelerof4te 4y agoWar in Ukraine started in 2014th, with the violent coup orchestrated by the USA. If that didn't happen, there would simply be no war in Ukraine.
- netsharc 4y agoFine, I'll bite... Because if the president is corrupt and the population is angry about it, it's USA's (or EU's) fault? There's a good record of Yanukovych's luxury residence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezhyhirya_Residence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezhyhirya_Residence), do you believe is it also just Western lies and propaganda? Maybe the Western governments should just let protesters know that they the support corrupt governments? Of course it's hardly a good argument from me because this is what the West does a lot, e.g. with Saudi Arabia or the Egyptian government before the Arab revolution. I suppose what you want is everyone supporting authoritarian governments, because hey, at least there the oppression is quiet and doesn't involve mass violence (e.g. individuals will be tortured behind closed doors instead of masses being shot in public).
- wheelerof4te 4y ago"Because if the president is corrupt and the population is angry about it, it's USA's (or EU's) fault? There's a good record of Yanukovych's luxury residence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezhyhirya_Residence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezhyhirya_Residence), do you believe is it also just Western lies and propaganda?" This is a weak argument. There are plenty of luxurious residences in the West, from the Buckingham Palace to Palace of Versailles, etc. Why should they be exempt from the evidence of "corruption" you speak of? The second paragraph should be a clear indication that the West cares not if the country is democratic or not. As long as it serves their interests.
- postalrat 4y agoWhy do people predict servers going down?
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- mensetmanusman 4y agoBecause authoritarians are historically not very peaceful, so someone has to do the dirty job of predicting their predictable behavior. We are lucky the US was predicting the Russians were going to invade last year; the preparation saved the country (for now).
- wheelerof4te 4y agoIraq, Libya and Syria weren't so lucky.
- dirtyid 4y ago> Minihan, who as head of Air Mobility Command Domestic acquisition politics, current USAF tanking fleet lacking 50-150 airframes to persecute stand off war outside of first island chain according to analysis. AF wants grab piece of pie like everyone else, and this man wants more tankers, which would take decade+ to acquire in sufficient numbers let alone by 2025.