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I've been waiting for one of those factory simulator games to have something where when you pass some certain level in the game, it goes into Enders Game mode,

by px43 4y ago

I've been waiting for one of those factory simulator games to have something where when you pass some certain level in the game, it goes into Enders Game mode, and players start controlling machines in real factories. Users could even get paid to do this, and to scale up their operation with automation tools etc. Same with farming simulators, mining simulators, fast food simulators, etc.

dragonwriter 4y ago
Do it with car simulators, and you have the Mechanical Turk backend for Full Self Driving.
- flenserboy 4y ago
  Then some four-year-old gets their hands on it when Dad goes to get a glass of water, and...
  - prettyStandard 4y ago
    How is this much different than keeping your car keys away from the kids now? I get what you are saying, there is a risk to be acknowledged and protected against. I'm just saying it's different, but already there.
    - schoen 4y ago
      In the Ender's Game scenario, you're intentionally not told about the associated risks.
    - BlueTemplar 4y ago
      Context separation.
    - pessimizer 4y ago
      > How is this much different than keeping your car keys away from the kids now? That neither you or your kids are at risk, only some loser dumb enough to trust the Turker Self-Driving app.
    - kortilla 4y ago
      The dad thinks it’s a simulator…
  - mindslight 4y ago
    ... sound a perfunctory chime and blame the person sitting in the left front seat.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    ...and we have another of the self-driving incidents we’ve all come to know.
  - wizardforhire 4y ago
    Or this could happen… https://youtube.com/watch?v=4c6kaAJj7ik https://youtube.com/watch?v=4c6kaAJj7ik
- futuroptimist 4y ago
  This is the premise of a chapter in AI 2041.
ConradKilroy 4y ago
@px43, </Brilliant Black Mirror Plot Twist>
buzer 4y ago
Careful with what all things will be hooked up into that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y729vwvauWE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y729vwvauWE
roomey 4y ago
Neil Stephenson predicting the future yet again with reamde (sic). The plot is a world of warcraft style MMORPG is linked to real world settings (such as airport security) to allow people playing the game to preform real life actions (in the book, the example was sound an alarm when they spotted a character travelling the wrong direction). The idea being, if it is a game (or simulator as you say) you can make it waaayyyy more interesting than the real life work. Between him and Daniel Suarez these "near future" sci fi writers are getting scary good at predicting some things. Any other authors are books would be much appreciated!
- jameshart 4y ago
  Although part of the point was that this was a stupid idea, more geared to getting press coverage and investment funds than actually providing any kind of valuable way of making gameplay productive. I found it a pretty good prediction of NFT hype.
- kraussvonespy 4y ago
  You and I may be the only REAMDE fans on the planet. Thanks bruv. Thanks for the Daniel Suarez tip too. Looking forward to some good near future books.
  - intrasight 4y ago
    I'd have assumed that everyone here has read REAMDE
    - jameshart 4y ago
      Nobody ever reads the REAMDE.
    - adolph 4y ago
      Started but didn’t continue unlike just about all other Stephenson. Maybe I should give it another chance.
      - 4y ago
narrator 4y ago
There was the guy who won the NASCAR race using the trick he learned on the GameCube NASCAR game. The trick was to make the last turn skidding against the outer wall with the car floored and pass everyone. Enders game is probably obsolete since AlphaGo zero can play better than any human. Just have the AI reinforcement learn over the course of a trillion games in the simulator.
- metadat 4y ago
  Here's a clip of it: https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1586836220176629760 https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/158683622017662976...
- LorenPechtel 4y ago
  The book version AlphaGo wouldn't have a chance at. The whole thing was a setup to get a very skilled person in charge who didn't know what was going on and would break the rules and rebel at the key time. Firing upon the planet was genocide and anyone who could give that order was inherently unsuitable for the role they must play. At the same time, it was a completely hopeless battle in which the only possible "victory" was a suicide charge against the planet (in the book the planet goes boom and take the fleet with it. It's gone, not merely a charred ruin.) Hence one person kept in the dark and carefully prepared to be utterly ruthless at those who have attacked him (not his opponents in battle school--that's competition. He murdered (although he doesn't know they died) IIRC two bullies before the events we see in the movie) with the intent of getting him to fire on the planet. AlphaGo would see firing upon the planet (or even at a target too close to it) as against the rules and wouldn't do it. Ender believed he had flunked out until he learned what really happened.
- joshspankit 4y ago
  The thing that surprised me the most is that despite people doing that in video games for (decades feels right) he was the first irl.
  - _0ffh 4y ago
    I've read the claim that a couple of people have tried it before, in smaller settings (not NASCAR), but didn't actually pull it off.
cammikebrown 4y ago
There are crane game apps with cameras pointed at real cranes so you can control a real crane live and win real prizes. I’ve never even gotten close to winning, though.
Teever 4y ago
Damn, I'm not the only one who has had this idea. I've been thinking about a near future idea where people an play a real world RTS with RC cars and drones that fire small 22 rounds. The vehicles could be assembled inside a small factory full of automated open source 3d printers/mills/pick and places/robot arms. You could have different people playing different kinds of games with some users driving little RC tanks, or operating little turrets on stationary buildings, or driving cargo trucks that go pick up resources to feed the factory, and then others doing totally different activities like operating the factory or designing new machines for the factory to build / be built of. I figure you could set this up in some rural state like Montana with cheap land / few gun regulations and let people pay to play, if it's successful enough your customer base will basically be doing R&D / mechanical turking your Von Neuman probe development and then when it gets small enough you can stick a couple factories on a rocket, launch 'em to the moon and make the sequel to the game be set in space...
- joshenders 4y ago
  Go watch Toys (1992) Starring Robin Williams
- nradov 4y ago
  In the US it is generally illegal to manufacture or modify any repeating firearm with a software controlled firing mechanism. The ATF considers those to be too easy to turn into machine guns. I think you would need to acquire an existing pre-ban registered machine gun, or get a license to manufacture machine guns for military and law enforcement (difficult and expensive).
  - akimball 4y ago
    If the projector does not use chemical deflagration or explosion to power the projectiles, it is outside the purview of those regulations.
- joshspankit 4y ago
  Oddly enough, I’ve just recently been exposed to livestreams where people are sitting in giant racing-sim setups and controlling RC cars over the internet. Seems all they need is the .22s
wishfish 4y ago
I know a few people who ended up driving trucks for a living after playing American (or Euro) Truck Simulator for hundreds of hours. I wonder how many organic farms were started due to people playing Stardew Valley.

by px43 4y ago

dragonwriter 4y ago

Do it with car simulators, and you have the Mechanical Turk backend for Full Self Driving.

flenserboy 4y ago
Then some four-year-old gets their hands on it when Dad goes to get a glass of water, and...
- prettyStandard 4y ago
  How is this much different than keeping your car keys away from the kids now? I get what you are saying, there is a risk to be acknowledged and protected against. I'm just saying it's different, but already there.
  - schoen 4y ago
    In the Ender's Game scenario, you're intentionally not told about the associated risks.
  - BlueTemplar 4y ago
    Context separation.
  - pessimizer 4y ago
    > How is this much different than keeping your car keys away from the kids now? That neither you or your kids are at risk, only some loser dumb enough to trust the Turker Self-Driving app.
  - kortilla 4y ago
    The dad thinks it’s a simulator…
- mindslight 4y ago
  ... sound a perfunctory chime and blame the person sitting in the left front seat.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  ...and we have another of the self-driving incidents we’ve all come to know.
- wizardforhire 4y ago
  Or this could happen… https://youtube.com/watch?v=4c6kaAJj7ik https://youtube.com/watch?v=4c6kaAJj7ik
futuroptimist 4y ago
This is the premise of a chapter in AI 2041.

ConradKilroy 4y ago

@px43, </Brilliant Black Mirror Plot Twist>

buzer 4y ago

Careful with what all things will be hooked up into that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y729vwvauWE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y729vwvauWE

roomey 4y ago

Neil Stephenson predicting the future yet again with reamde (sic). The plot is a world of warcraft style MMORPG is linked to real world settings (such as airport security) to allow people playing the game to preform real life actions (in the book, the example was sound an alarm when they spotted a character travelling the wrong direction). The idea being, if it is a game (or simulator as you say) you can make it waaayyyy more interesting than the real life work. Between him and Daniel Suarez these "near future" sci fi writers are getting scary good at predicting some things. Any other authors are books would be much appreciated!

jameshart 4y ago
Although part of the point was that this was a stupid idea, more geared to getting press coverage and investment funds than actually providing any kind of valuable way of making gameplay productive. I found it a pretty good prediction of NFT hype.
kraussvonespy 4y ago
You and I may be the only REAMDE fans on the planet. Thanks bruv. Thanks for the Daniel Suarez tip too. Looking forward to some good near future books.
- intrasight 4y ago
  I'd have assumed that everyone here has read REAMDE
  - jameshart 4y ago
    Nobody ever reads the REAMDE.
  - adolph 4y ago
    Started but didn’t continue unlike just about all other Stephenson. Maybe I should give it another chance.
    - 4y ago

narrator 4y ago

There was the guy who won the NASCAR race using the trick he learned on the GameCube NASCAR game. The trick was to make the last turn skidding against the outer wall with the car floored and pass everyone. Enders game is probably obsolete since AlphaGo zero can play better than any human. Just have the AI reinforcement learn over the course of a trillion games in the simulator.

metadat 4y ago
Here's a clip of it: https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1586836220176629760 https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/158683622017662976...
LorenPechtel 4y ago
The book version AlphaGo wouldn't have a chance at. The whole thing was a setup to get a very skilled person in charge who didn't know what was going on and would break the rules and rebel at the key time. Firing upon the planet was genocide and anyone who could give that order was inherently unsuitable for the role they must play. At the same time, it was a completely hopeless battle in which the only possible "victory" was a suicide charge against the planet (in the book the planet goes boom and take the fleet with it. It's gone, not merely a charred ruin.) Hence one person kept in the dark and carefully prepared to be utterly ruthless at those who have attacked him (not his opponents in battle school--that's competition. He murdered (although he doesn't know they died) IIRC two bullies before the events we see in the movie) with the intent of getting him to fire on the planet. AlphaGo would see firing upon the planet (or even at a target too close to it) as against the rules and wouldn't do it. Ender believed he had flunked out until he learned what really happened.
joshspankit 4y ago
The thing that surprised me the most is that despite people doing that in video games for (decades feels right) he was the first irl.
- _0ffh 4y ago
  I've read the claim that a couple of people have tried it before, in smaller settings (not NASCAR), but didn't actually pull it off.

cammikebrown 4y ago

There are crane game apps with cameras pointed at real cranes so you can control a real crane live and win real prizes. I’ve never even gotten close to winning, though.

Teever 4y ago

Damn, I'm not the only one who has had this idea. I've been thinking about a near future idea where people an play a real world RTS with RC cars and drones that fire small 22 rounds. The vehicles could be assembled inside a small factory full of automated open source 3d printers/mills/pick and places/robot arms. You could have different people playing different kinds of games with some users driving little RC tanks, or operating little turrets on stationary buildings, or driving cargo trucks that go pick up resources to feed the factory, and then others doing totally different activities like operating the factory or designing new machines for the factory to build / be built of. I figure you could set this up in some rural state like Montana with cheap land / few gun regulations and let people pay to play, if it's successful enough your customer base will basically be doing R&D / mechanical turking your Von Neuman probe development and then when it gets small enough you can stick a couple factories on a rocket, launch 'em to the moon and make the sequel to the game be set in space...

joshenders 4y ago
Go watch Toys (1992) Starring Robin Williams
nradov 4y ago
In the US it is generally illegal to manufacture or modify any repeating firearm with a software controlled firing mechanism. The ATF considers those to be too easy to turn into machine guns. I think you would need to acquire an existing pre-ban registered machine gun, or get a license to manufacture machine guns for military and law enforcement (difficult and expensive).
- akimball 4y ago
  If the projector does not use chemical deflagration or explosion to power the projectiles, it is outside the purview of those regulations.
joshspankit 4y ago
Oddly enough, I’ve just recently been exposed to livestreams where people are sitting in giant racing-sim setups and controlling RC cars over the internet. Seems all they need is the .22s

wishfish 4y ago

I know a few people who ended up driving trucks for a living after playing American (or Euro) Truck Simulator for hundreds of hours. I wonder how many organic farms were started due to people playing Stardew Valley.