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Domain Registry Takes Sci-Hub’s .SE Domain Name Offline
- Overtonwindow 4y agoFYI. http://sci-hub.ee http://sci-hub.ee https://sci-hub.ee https://sci-hub.ee https://sci-hub.wf https://sci-hub.wf http://sci-hub.wf http://sci-hub.wf https://sci-hub.cat https://sci-hub.cat
- cantbeawiseman 4y agoLegend, ty for linking
- btdmaster 4y agoAlso https://sci-hub.ru https://sci-hub.ru as maintained and linked by Alexandra Elbakyan, Sci-Hub founder.
- huggingmouth 4y agoAny tor addresses?
- teddyh 4y agoThere used to be one at http://scihub22266oqcxt.onion/ http://scihub22266oqcxt.onion/ but that short address form is now obsolete.
- alexvoda 4y agoIs there an onion address too?
- crazygringo 4y agoAre any of those official mirrors? Wikipedia points to https://sci-hub.ru https://sci-hub.ru as the official URL, and that site lists all official mirrors as [1]: sci-hub.se sci-hub.st sci-hub.ru All of which are different from your list. I have no idea personally, I'm just wondering how to know what to use. [1] https://sci-hub.ru/mirrors https://sci-hub.ru/mirrors
- pessimizer 4y agoAny of them. .se was the official, post-seizure Elbakyan suggests .ru.
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- politician 4y agoIf there’s an area where a decentralized blockchain has application, it is surely DNS and the rent-seeking certificate infrastructure.
- dimmke 4y agoYou know what? You're right. That's literally the only proposed blockchain application I think I've ever read that I think would actually work.
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- jeroenhd 4y agoI don't think it would. The moment the blockchain would start getting any traction, the big blockchain companies would use their capital to get their hands on every recognizable domain name and within days the only remaining "domains" would look like passwords. You could then probably buy readable domains for exorbitant amounts of cryptocoins. I prefer the current registrar setup over anarchist blockchain hellscapes. You can sue Verisign, you can't sue 0xEf1c6E67703c7BD7107eed8303Fbe6EC2554BF6B.
- from 4y agoYou know domain sniping already happens right? There is extensive auctioning infrastructure. And most of the good names were claimed a long time ago. The only way to get an existing domain name without paying the owner for it is to sue over trademark violations or stuff like that which often will cost more than just buying it.
- jeroenhd 4y agoDomain sniping already happens, sure. However, squatters need to invest time and energy into registering these domains whereas a cryptographic system can do all that offline inside the data centers of the cryptosquatter. Some TLDs have provisions against domain squatters and in case of copyright disputes, you can sue the squatters (or request ICANN to release the domain if that isn't possible for some reason). If you have a good reason to demand a domain currently unused, there are ways to get it. With crypto-TLDs, nike.com and microsoft.com would be registered by a malicious player without any kind of recourse. The lack of enforceability makes the entire system pretty useless the moment it takes off.
- Kukumber 4y agothey should just mention that the content is only available for people to train their ML model Microsoft can get away with it, we might as well do the same
- Kukumber 4y ago[flagged]
- counttheforks 4y agoWhat is this referencing? Just ChatGPT et al illegally slurping up everything they can get their hands on, or something more specific?
- MarcoZavala 4y ago[dead]
- swagmoney1606 4y agoI think this is referencing GitHub's slurping of code for Copilot
- NetOpWibby 4y agoHandshake solves this. https://blog.neuenet.com/post/why-get-a-tld https://blog.neuenet.com/post/why-get-a-tld
- verdverm 4y agoThey decided they did not want to work with the existing system and the only option was a complete replacement, rather than a dual system. They shot themselves in the foot. On top of that, they guy who ruined freenode took over Handshake and ruined that too. They lost several core developers along the way
- NetOpWibby 4y agoYou're operating under several incorrect pretenses. Handshake works with the existing DNS. "The guy who ruined Freenode" had a minor part in the creation of Handshake but does not control it. The core developers of Handshake are still active.
- verdverm 4y agoSorry, but my best friend was one of the core developers who left. I have heard tons of stories that the public has not. Another core dev died. I said several, not all... Yes, handshake can work alongside, technically, but the leadership did not want to, in practice
- NetOpWibby 4y ago"Leadership" should be used extremely loosely. Imagine the first droplets of a puddle. Sure, the water is there but it doesn't dictate the spread. "In practice" is irrelevant to how Handshake is working right now. I'm not here to convince you of the merits of Handshake, you clearly don't see nor care for it. Just clarifying facts over opinion. EDIT: FWIW, I don't know who your best friend is but JJ remaining a part of Handshake is a major plus in my book. I personally don't find Andrew Lee (there are two in the Handshake story, we're talking about the Freenode one though) palatable and have clashed with him on occasion. Jackasses exist everywhere but IMHO, good people outnumber them by a massive margin.
- 88stacks 4y agoI mentioned here before, but how can we stop these domains from dying like this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34541672 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34541672
- from 4y agoRegister them with cnobin or some other Chinese registrar with an abuse mail that doesn't exist, don't use any TLD owned by Verisign, and you will be able to delay domain seizure for a long amount of time. There's nothing you can do to stop it forever other than keep making more mirrors - see what fmovies and sites like that do.
- breck 4y ago[dead]
- arp242 4y agoComplete political non-starter. Might as well argue for the moon to be painted blue. Not only is it a complete waste of time, any effort spent on this is also detrimental to any proposals that actually can be enacted.
- breck 4y agoWe are going to do it. Just watch.
- glerk 4y agoThese laws have already been made obsolete by technology. Trying to play politics is a waste of time and money.
- Dalewyn 4y agoCopyrights and patents are very reasonable and necessary frameworks for encouraging and protecting inventors and creators to keep on making things. The problem, which there is, lies in the execution. Copyright shouldn't last multiple centuries, and patent trolls are a flagrant abuse of the patent system.
- breck 4y ago> Copyrights and patents are very reasonable and necessary frameworks No, they are not. They are moronic. Everything they touch gets worse. (C)opywrongs and Patents gave us the Opioid Crisis and worse than useless mRNA vaccines. Public domain has given us 99% of life saving medicines and numbers and binary notation and the theory of relativity and the World Wide Web and SQLite.
- gruez 4y ago>(C)opywrongs and Patents gave us the Opioid Crisis copyrights isn't even a factor when it comes to drugs, it's primarily patents and regulatory approval. The fact that you casually lump them together suggests that you don't understand what you're even arguing against. >and worse than useless mRNA vaccines. Alright I'll bite. Can you elaborate on how they're "worse than useless"? The clinical trials at least show they're pretty effective. >Public domain has given us 99% of life saving medicines And how many of those were patented at one point? >numbers and binary notation and the theory of relativity not patentable. From wikipedia: "To be patent eligible subject matter, an invention must meet two criteria. First, it must fall within one of the four statutory categories of acceptable subject matter: process, machine, manufacture, or composition of matter. Second, it must not be directed to subject matter encompassing a judicially recognized exception: laws of nature, physical phenomena, and abstract ideas. "
- idlewords 4y agoI just wanted to take a moment to say what a lifechanging tool sci-hub has been for research. In doing research for a big writing project on Mars I ended up with a folder of maybe 800 scientific and technical papers, some of them dating back to 1910. This is material it would have been hard to collect even with access to a major university library. Online publishers, meanwhile, demand extortionate per-paper fees for access, including to papers that started in the public domain, or are long out of copyright. On sci-hub you can just find nearly all this stuff without any fuss—there were maybe 5 or 10 papers total that I had to find through other channels. Alexandra Elbakyan is an absolute legend for creating this tool, which is on a par with Wikipedia for usefulness and public benefit.
- OrvalWintermute 4y ago> Online publishers, meanwhile, demand extortionate per-paper fees for access, including to papers that started in the public domain, or are long out of copyright. That these online publishers are able to rent collect for papers that are in the public domain, or long out of copyright, is an example of how broken our system is.
- pessimizer 4y agoIt's also an indictment of academic culture that they can't overcome their collective action problem. Of course, the important people in academia largely became that way because of the currency of the brands of the journals they published in. Giving up the fixation on status quo brands probably threatens in some way the power of status quo academics. edit: academics are who we're supposed to depend on in order to organize and maintain ourselves as post-Enlightenment people, and they're somehow inextricably caught up in such a simple and open swindle. Even fully knowing the real consequences of locking away some stray piece of knowledge from the random asshole who will stumble upon a way to change the world with it.
- tptacek 4y agoI think I'm probably HN's most fervent copyright supporter, and I want to find a way to disapprove of Sci-Hub; it feels like cheating? Like sidestepping the real issue, of how journals are organized? But I can't take myself seriously trying to argue that. Even my kids, who are both practicing scientists at institutions with official access to all these papers, use Sci-Hub to get stuff.
- disadvantage 4y agoA domain is just a pointer to a resource, it is not the 'thing' in itself. If they want to take the actual resource offline, they need to find the VPS in question and confiscate that, not the domains. Another thing, SH used to be accessible as a Tor hidden service, located here[0], which needs a v3 address since the older short .onions are now obsolete. Tor should have been the rightful home of SH since its inception. .Onions/hidden services are more resistant to censorship. And since the admin has been doxxed, it's too late, unless the project is forked to new (anonymous) owners with good opsec and starts its new home in the dark web, unless it has new owners. I don't know, I don't follow all the latest news on SH. [0] http://scihub22266oqcxt.onion/ http://scihub22266oqcxt.onion/
- madars 4y agoLittle known fact: your Sci-Hub downloads are not private - https://sci-hub.ru/stats https://sci-hub.ru/stats has historic access logs with IP addresses, paper identifiers, and timestamps, and plans to publish more logs in the future.
- perihelions 4y agoYour link seems to contradict your description, - "To protect the privacy of Sci-Hub users, we agreed that she would first aggregate users’ geographic locations to the nearest city using data from Google Maps; no identifying inter- net protocol (IP) addresses were given to me. (The data set and details on how it was analyzed are freely accessible at http://dx.doi.org/10.5061/dryad.q447c http://dx.doi.org/10.5061/dryad.q447c.)" https://sci-hub.ru/10.1126/science.352.6285.508 https://sci-hub.ru/10.1126/science.352.6285.508 ("Bohannon, J. (2016). Who’s downloading pirated [sic] papers? Everyone. Science, 352(6285), 508–512")
- duckerude 4y agoYou can download tsv files with entries like this: 2011-09-22 22:29:24 10.1007/BF01907940 www.springerlink.com/content/ppt42929g7645548/fulltext.pdf 213.87.138.* -176088 Russia That's 3/4 of the IP address.
- B4n4n4 4y ago"I can give statistics, as they say, in a hurry, which the Yandex counter collected, according to the number of unique visitors to the site: from September 5, 2011 to December 31, 2015 - 7.92 million from January 01, 2016 to December 31, 2018 - 67.5 million from January 01, 2019 to December 15, 2021 – 119 million" Source: https://pressunity.org/archives/18381 https://pressunity.org/archives/18381 Sci-hub's offshore host: "DDoS-Guard is a Russian Internet infrastructure company which provides DDoS protection and web hosting services.[1][2] Researchers and journalists have alleged that many of DDoS-Guard's clients are engaged in criminal activity, and investigative reporter Brian Krebs reported in January 2021 that a "vast number" of the websites hosted by DDoS-Guard are "phishing sites and domains tied to cybercrime services or forums online".[3][1] Some of DDoS-Guard's notable clients have included the Palestinian Islamic militant nationalist movement Hamas, American alt-tech social network Parler, and various groups associated with the Russian state.[3][4][1]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDoS-Guard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDoS-Guard Sci-Hub In 2017, a U.S. court ordered all internet infrastructure companies to stop doing business with Sci-Hub, the shadow library which shares scholarly papers without regard to copyright.[22][23] As a result, Sci-Hub switched from Cloudflare to DDoS-Guard for DDoS protection.[23][8] Sci-Hub founder Alexandra Elbakyan says that DDoS-Guard initially contacted her, and that the company volunteered that it works with piracy sites including Rutracker.org.[23] Some experts identify Sci-Hub's use of DDoS-Guard as a security risk given its involvement with the Russian state and that it could monitor Sci-Hub's traffic.[23] Elbakyan says she pays DDoS-Guard about US$1,000 per month (one sixth of Sci-Hub's operating budget), all for DDoS protection; an expert found this amount credible.[23] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDoS-Guard#Sci-Hub https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDoS-Guard#Sci-Hub
- corobo 4y agoIt's really handy that they keep trying to damage sci-hub. I've got no direct use but every time it comes up I have a think just in case I know anyone it would be useful for. Ta for the reminders!
- belter 4y agoIs the pause mentioned here still in place? https://www.reddit.com/r/scihub/comments/lofj0r/announcement_scihub_has_been_paused_no_new/ https://www.reddit.com/r/scihub/comments/lofj0r/announcement...
- dogmatism 4y agoSadly yes. The court case in India keeps getting delayed and delayed. I think next hearing is Feb 8th?
- Strilanc 4y agoFirst they destroyed the library of Alexandria. Now they want to destroy the library of Alexandra.
- xtracto 4y agoLibrary.nu / gigapedia was destroyed between those two. It was a really vast collection of material. Such a shame .
- CommanderData 4y agoIs there a way to mirror parts of sci hub?
- cutemonster 4y agoOr all of it? How many TB Hmm I guess they don't want to get accidentally DoS attacked
- hallway_monitor 4y agoWas going to ask this as well. It seems sci-hub would enable or encourage mirroring to serve the cause of open science.
- drexlspivey 4y agoDecentralized DNS protocols like handshake were created to circumvent this kind of thing. https://handshake.org/ https://handshake.org/
- ridgeguy 4y agoI've found this to be helpful: https://www.ilovephd.com/working-sci-hub-proxy-links-updated/ https://www.ilovephd.com/working-sci-hub-proxy-links-updated...
- joelthelion 4y agoGiven how useful scihub obviously is, how could we reasonably make it legal? Is there any chance we could fix the legal system to make scihub officially possible?
- cellularmitosis 4y agoA law stating that papers resulting from publicly funded research must be freely redistributable should do the trick. Just a matter of finding the political will.