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Streisand effect - I had no idea about this and now I am curious and will find a torrent of it. I mean, I'm not Indian so I suspect Modi doesn't care about me p
by smcl 4y ago
Streisand effect - I had no idea about this and now I am curious and will find a torrent of it. I mean, I'm not Indian so I suspect Modi doesn't care about me personally but still.
- webmobdev 4y agoIf you care about your mental health, I would recommend against it - it's a chilling and depressing story of how an indian politician uses communal violence to further his career and promote religious fundamentalist fascist ideology in India.
- eklavya 4y agoYeah, Indian judicial system is only fair and independent when it's time to bash modi for trying to undermine it.
- jamal-kumar 4y agoImagine going into a time machine and telling people that they shouldn't watch a documentary about some contemporary madman murderer such as pol pot or someone like that because it'll be bad for their mental health? Maybe people are meant to face these things straight up and be hard about them
- cmurf 4y agoTrue. But it's also true that cognitive dissonance is a real thing. People actively feel discomfort when confronted with truth that conflicts with established belief, and some people just can't handle the truth - so they seek out more lies, and help to spread them as a coping mechanism. The lies are soothing. The truth is too hard.
- jamal-kumar 4y agoIf your preference to the truth is drinking boxes of lie juice that's on you. People acting like the media is somehow at fault here for telling it is just another box of juice to me. Personally - I'm willing to fight tooth and nail for the truth, and I'm sick of people acting like there's some kind of ambiguity here. The world has enough genocide as is without people being wishy-washy about it while it's happening. If you have a problem with mass murder predicated on bigotry, it's time to take a stand, just saying.
- jasonlotito 4y agoImagine thinking that the only way to educate yourself is to watch a video that you agree could be bad for someones mental health. Maybe people can learn in other ways that also don't subject them to harm.
- jamal-kumar 4y agoIf a documentary about current events is enough to wreck you somehow then you've got other issues
- ben_w 4y agoWith 8 billion people in the world, even with the 4 billion when I was born, there's enough genuine evil[0] in the world to wreck anyone with even the slightest capacity for empathy. I have no idea if this documentary is or isn't at that level, because I have enough going on without wading into Indian politics. Will this documentary cause its viewers to end whatever specific ills are shown within? I presume so, otherwise it wouldn't be getting censored. Will it cause any specific person to effect that change? Probably not, most of us have no influence whatsoever over Indian politics or economics. [0] or, if you don't like the word "evil", sadistic Machiavellian psychopathy
- jasonlotito 4y agoWhat's it like being okay with hurting people? This is what you are advocating for. Rather than present other means to learn about this, you insist that this is the ONLY way to learn about this. It's not education of the topic you are promoting, but hurting people. You are, in many ways, supporting Modi's cause by actively working to limit the spread of the knowledge of a chilling and depressing story of how an Indian politician uses communal violence to further his career and promote religious fundamentalist fascist ideology in India. Why are you protecting this?
- jamal-kumar 4y ago> documentary about mass murder predicated on hate crimes > mass murder predicated on hate crimes choose one
- sebastien_b 4y agoImagine someone’s comment being voted down simply because you don’t agree with it, regardless how valid the arguments within are.
- hef19898 4y agoWhich is expected behaviour on HN. As is not posting about downvotes.
- sebastien_b 4y agoSo, where’s pvg to whine about that? Guess you’ve taken their place?
- hef19898 4y agoI absolutely agree with this policy, using downvotes as a sign of disagreement. There are other people who complain about, one could even say whine, about it in their profiles.
- realworldperson 4y ago[dead]
- ClumsyPilot 4y agoDo you watch uncensored videos of what is happening in American prisons and Guantanamo bay, of mexican mafia torturing people, of Wagner group military removing tescacles of a captive with pliers or smashing in the head of a deserting soldier with a sledge hammer? Its all out there, and you' ve got to stay informed!
- LarryMullins 4y agoHeh, yes. Some of those I turned off after a few seconds, but I think I got the gist.
- jamal-kumar 4y agoI'm sorry, but I have no choice but to take this comment in extremely bad faith. The BBC isn't broadcasting stuff on that level with this documentary.
- ClumsyPilot 4y agoIts simply taking the OP's argument to the logical extreme. He demonstrated no respect for the other commenter's concern and no argument for why the bounderies defined were unreasonable, only mocked them.. I think it is only fair to question if he lives up to hos own standards
- hgsgm 4y agoYou can know Modi is a genocidal bigot without watching all the details.
- tibbydudeza 4y agoThe BJP party and ideology of RSS(Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh) are just two sides of the same coin - hopefully India will survive this ethnofacism.
- rejectfinite 4y agoah yes never watch documentaries about war either then? Masterpieces like The world at war etc?
- nix23 4y agoTrue, i would say don't use social media if you care about your mental health, instead watch documentary's like "First Kill" or "Russia's way from the tsar to putin"..but who am i ;) WARNING: First Kill is a deeply disturbing documentary about human nature in war (The Writer of Full Metal jacket and Apocalypse Now speaks too about his memory's in Vietnam), it's brutal and brutally honest, and the best explanation why you as a person should never ever go to war (if it's not absolutely necessary)...you have been warned.
- noorkersz 4y agoif you care about individual liberty in the mid-term future, I would recommend to look into it, sure it'll be hard to watch.
- nix23 4y ago>If you care about your mental health, One should be enough mentally stable learning something about reality.
- ClumsyPilot 4y agoYou've learnt everything there is to know about paedophiles, cannivals and people that dimember their victims? . Have you ever heard about hoa mental health is going for people that have to moderate social networks for this shit?
- nix23 4y ago>people that dimember their victims Yes i even eat beef for example. > social networks Yeah i don't do that, THATS not good for your health, not knowledge.
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago> Yes i even eat beef for example Good one. Doesnt count if you've never been to a slaughterhouse and only ever see a steak wrapped a plastic at the supermarket shelf.
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- squarefoot 4y agoNot sure if I want to watch it, although -assuming it's all true- knowing to what extent a politician can screw his own people can be instructive even if we know that it could never happen in our backyard (/s).
- InCityDreams 4y agoI care about my mental health, and i will now watch it on principle, because of what you commented. I will also share the link more than i would have. Thanks for caring.
- szatkus 4y agoAt this point I got used to that kind of story.
- rand0mx1 4y agohttps://archive.org/details/india.-the.-modi.-question.-s-01-e-01.720p.i-p.-webrip.x-264-galaxy-tv https://archive.org/details/india.-the.-modi.-question.-s-01...
- OJFord 4y agoIt's still live on the BBC (in the UK to licence fee payers I suppose) though, so this is a slightly weird one. Possibly the BBC DMCA all content internet-archived, and the controversy about this particular content is a coincidence here?
- miohtama 4y agoSome messages in this thread speculate that DMCA notices would have been fake. I guess we find clarity soon.
- dathinab 4y agoI mean if BBC has the independence to make such a docu they likely also have the means to keep it up on their site. Weather other sides carved to political pressure or where "tricked" by malicious DMCA notices (or non DMCA copyright take-down requests) or malicious flagging etc. or a mix of both is also an interesting question.
- selfhoster69 4y agoThis contains both parts: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:B96B9C1CD9A0332E82023FA934DDD4ACF94377DE&tr=http://tracker.trackerfix.com:80/announce&tr=udp://9.rarbg.me:2790&tr=udp://9.rarbg.to:2760&tr=udp://tracker.thinelephant.org:12710&tr=udp://tracker.tallpenguin.org:15790 http://tracker.trackerfix.com:80/announce&tr=udp://9.rarbg.m...
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- selfhoster69 4y agoTIL that four spaces indents it into code blocks... thanks!
- tempodox 4y agoTwo spaces suffice to do that.
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- jostiniane 4y agoavailable in Odysee already
- ummonk 4y agoThe Indian right wingers I know think the ban is ridiculous either on principle or because it simply plays into the Streisand effect. There is some openness to banning BBC altogether as foreign state-funded propaganda (akin to how Europe has banned RT), but everyone seems to think this selective ban of the documentary is a self-own by the Modi administration.
- mrtksn 4y ago> akin to how Europe has banned RT I can’t agree with this analogy, RT wasn’t banned before Russia started an invasion. The difference is that prior invasion it’s a different opinions, after the shooting begins it’s part of the warfare and not a public debate activity. For example it’s completely okay to claim that Zelensky should go and Ukraine and NATO caused the war, totally not acceptable to claim that Zelenksy left the country and requested amnesty in Poland. At war time yok can’t afford BS like that because the impact can have immediate and irreversible consequences.
- LarryMullins 4y agoThe UK once invaded India. Maybe that was too long ago to matter, but I think a lot of people in India might think otherwise.
- mrtksn 4y agoThey can think whatever they like but they will be wrong if they think that.
- LarryMullins 4y agoSubjectively wrong (e.g. you disagree), or objectively wrong? How could such a thing be objectively determined at all? There are people alive today who grew up in an India subjugated by the UK. It wasn't so long ago in the grand scheme of things.
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- mihaaly 4y agoI will watch it right now from BBC. : )
- Spooky23 4y agoThe right wing flex is to demonstrate power. The people who are into that admire the strongman, and don’t really care about the how and why. Understanding nuance or balancing interests is cast as weakness. Caveman clubs cavelady, ugh ugh.
- api 4y agoIf only the USSR had understood this. Forget trying to infiltrate American lefty movements. They could have rebranded Soviet communism as a tough no nonsense real man’s ideology and brought big chunks of the American right. Or maybe not. People who were actually tough and did things like fight in WWII may not have fallen for it. This stuff appeals to wannabes.
- myko 4y agoThey could have rebranded Soviet communism as a tough no nonsense real man’s ideology and brought big chunks of the American right. This has literally happened though. The extremist right loves V. Putin. Tucker, trump, etc. sing his praises regularly. Russia has a lot more difficulty subverting the left in the US, though they do fund the more radical elements (which have very little power compared to the centrist dems and extremist right). The Mueller report goes into a lot of Russia's efforts in this arena.
- Spooky23 4y agoA 2023 Soviet Union probably would. You didn’t have the ability to target messages in those days - mass media and organizations required mass appeal. For better or worse, times are different but people are the same in terms of vulnerability to demagoguery. McCarthy played to postwar America’s fear and anxiety the same as people are doing today. As myko said, modern Russia’s influence operations are pushing a Soviet-like narrative without the communism. Stalin was pushed as a father figure, Putin was wrestling bears shirtless and doing other man stuff, etc.
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago> trying to infiltrate American lefty movements How much of this was real, as opposed to hysteria? > They could have rebranded Soviet communism as a tough We had 'independance-loving' Nigel Farage admiring Putin
- zeyihbx 4y agoWatch it man. Know that it's 100% true but even then covers just a small part of what really happened and continues to be normalized over decades. That coming straight from a survivor here. Being in tech, what is surprising is how powerful the post-truth era is and how such things can be hidden in plain sight by just knowing how to manipulate Google, Twitter, Wikipedia and all social platforms by using an organized army of trolls.
- spaceman_2020 4y agoThe awful truth is that a large section of the population knows that the documentary is true and supports Modi even more for it. The minority hatred in India is now naked and public.