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She aborted a 23 week old. They found the remains in a trash bag in their backyard. I am happy the police investigated this. Can we step back from the knee jerk

She aborted a 23 week old. They found the remains in a trash bag in their backyard. I am happy the police investigated this. Can we step back from the knee jerk partisanship for one second and consider that this is not OK. https://slate.com/human-interest/2015/06/jennie-linn-mccormack-case-court-strikes-down-idahos-abortion-laws.html https://slate.com/human-interest/2015/06/jennie-linn-mccorma...

defrost 4y ago
Between 19 and 23 weeks old according to the article. ie. Perfectly legal in Australia and well within the range that Saint Hildegard of Bingen prepared and administered abortifacients [1]. [1] https://daily.jstor.org/abortion-remedies-medieval-catholic-nun/ https://daily.jstor.org/abortion-remedies-medieval-catholic-...
- josephcsible 4y ago
  From the article you cited: > an infant which is a danger to her body > The loss of the fetus was seen as an acceptable price to pay for saving the life of the pregnant woman. Was Jennie Linn McCormack's life in danger? Or did she just not want another kid?
  - defrost 4y ago
    The article I cited doesn't say.
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josephcsible 4y ago
https://healthier.stanfordchildrens.org/en/premature-babies-survival-rate-is-climbing/ https://healthier.stanfordchildrens.org/en/premature-babies-... > among those born at 23 weeks, 55% survived.
- nonethewiser 4y ago
  That's a lot. The real question is how many lived that weren't aborted?
- defrost 4y ago
  Worth noting that of those that survived with the full assistence of modern medicine and effectivly an artifical womb outside a body .. It is encouraging that half of the children had no or minimal neurodevelopmental impairments at 2 years. ie. Half had more than "minimal neurodevelopmental impairment" (read linked article for details).
_nalply 4y ago
Prohibiting something doesn't prevent it but just makes it more ugly. I am sure had she gotten help she wouldn't have aborted this late. She would have gotten an earlier abortion or support for her pregnancy. My personal experience: My wife had an embryo who stopped showing signs of life. She got pills to abort from her gynecologist and we were sent home. It was grisly. We had remains in the toilet and blood everywhere. We were weeping and grossed out. So you shouldn't mention the remains in a trashbag in the backyard to accuse her. It's true that she ended the life of the fetus and this is very serious. I am Buddhist and all life is holy. But the police won't be helpful here at all.
xracy 4y ago
This feels like a knee jerk partisan reaction couched as a call for tolerance of an otherwise less popular opinion. What is magic about week 23 that makes this so cut and dry for you?

defrost 4y ago

Between 19 and 23 weeks old according to the article. ie. Perfectly legal in Australia and well within the range that Saint Hildegard of Bingen prepared and administered abortifacients [1]. [1] https://daily.jstor.org/abortion-remedies-medieval-catholic-nun/ https://daily.jstor.org/abortion-remedies-medieval-catholic-...

josephcsible 4y ago
From the article you cited: > an infant which is a danger to her body > The loss of the fetus was seen as an acceptable price to pay for saving the life of the pregnant woman. Was Jennie Linn McCormack's life in danger? Or did she just not want another kid?
- defrost 4y ago
  The article I cited doesn't say.
- deleted 4y ago
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josephcsible 4y ago

https://healthier.stanfordchildrens.org/en/premature-babies-survival-rate-is-climbing/ https://healthier.stanfordchildrens.org/en/premature-babies-... > among those born at 23 weeks, 55% survived.

nonethewiser 4y ago
That's a lot. The real question is how many lived that weren't aborted?
defrost 4y ago
Worth noting that of those that survived with the full assistence of modern medicine and effectivly an artifical womb outside a body .. It is encouraging that half of the children had no or minimal neurodevelopmental impairments at 2 years. ie. Half had more than "minimal neurodevelopmental impairment" (read linked article for details).

_nalply 4y ago

Prohibiting something doesn't prevent it but just makes it more ugly. I am sure had she gotten help she wouldn't have aborted this late. She would have gotten an earlier abortion or support for her pregnancy. My personal experience: My wife had an embryo who stopped showing signs of life. She got pills to abort from her gynecologist and we were sent home. It was grisly. We had remains in the toilet and blood everywhere. We were weeping and grossed out. So you shouldn't mention the remains in a trashbag in the backyard to accuse her. It's true that she ended the life of the fetus and this is very serious. I am Buddhist and all life is holy. But the police won't be helpful here at all.

xracy 4y ago

This feels like a knee jerk partisan reaction couched as a call for tolerance of an otherwise less popular opinion. What is magic about week 23 that makes this so cut and dry for you?